Labour Shortage

[E92inNC]

Originally Posted by BMWILUVU

On point as soon as I blame DC, they do this:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-a...47591?mod=e2tw

Good to see the government continue their long standing streak of wisely using our tax money

[tgrundke]

Originally Posted by TheWatchGuy

What I find funny about it all, is a lot of people are both anti big corps and pro massive wage increases. The small businesses cant afford wage increases, but the big corps can and will. This current market is only strengthening big corp's position.

First, let me say that this thread/conversation has been very good so far.

Second, I agree with the statement above: I see what's happening right now *significantly* strengthening the hand of large corporations who have access to big capital. Small businesses are going to take it in the shorts and we're going to see a further consolidation into the hands of fewer as a result, ironically enough.

[tgrundke]

Originally Posted by rebekahb

There is a shortage of Uber/Lyft drivers in our city. One of the reasons we stopped going downtown. We could get down there but not get home or there would be a surge due to the shortage of drivers. Last time I flew in we got a cab home because there were no drivers. Couldn't even tell you the last time I took a cab home from the airport.

Not only the shortage of drivers, but the *price* of an Uber/Lyft has gone through the roof over the last 18 months. Case in point: whenever I would fly, I usually would Uber to the airport and then home. Generally, it would be $30 each way, so $60ish total. The last time I did this the rate had more than doubled, and it wasn't due to surge pricing.

It's now generally cheaper for me to park at the airport than it is to take a rideshare service.

[704g30]

Originally Posted by TheWatchGuy

Same boat. My phone rings several times a day with recruiters trying to lure me away, and offering ridiculous compensation packages to go with it. If I didn't like the company I'm with and the position im in, i could very easily take a 50-100% increase in pay. Just after the last time i chased money and took a huge pay bump to jump ship, i regretted it the entire time i was there. In my experience, when a company is offering a ton of money to someone to get them to work for them, there is a reason they have to do that.

I'm in the same boat. I get a fair amount of offers for 50% or more salary but I've worked for jobs that paid more and I wasn't happy in those roles. I satisfy all of my needs now both for myself and my family and can buy what I'd like so there is no need to be greedy for me.

That being said, I've been trying to hire more trackside support and applications engineers for the past 18 months and I can't find anyone worth a damn and those who are interested don't even know how a basic 12vdc system works in a car...

[vreihen16]

Originally Posted by 704g30

That being said, I've been trying to hire more trackside support and applications engineers for the past 18 months and I can't find anyone worth a damn and those who are interested don't even know how a basic 12vdc system works in a car...

Why do these postings come up AFTER my doctors refused to sign off on my competition license renewal and forbade me from ever driving or even attending motorsports events?!?!?

[chassis]

If labor (labour) isn't plentiful for whatever reason, either pay up or reinvent the business to use less labor (labour). It's not optional.

Automate, become more efficient, eliminate labor intense products or services, go offshore, the list goes on. Or just sit there and take it in the shorts and watch the competition eat your lunch.

[ASAP]

The saying by the corpos was always... if you don't like your job, you can always find a new one...

...well they did, everyone did lol...

Everyone loves free markets until they don't work for them...

A regulated capitalist market is the best market... we have full deregulation that favors only the capital... and well here we are.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by chassis

If labor (labour) isn't plentiful for whatever reason, either pay up or reinvent the business to use less labor (labour). It's not optional.

Automate, become more efficient, eliminate labor intense products or services, go offshore, the list goes on. Or just sit there and take it in the shorts and watch the competition eat your lunch.

Fair enough... except what happens when many jobs are automated and the government doesn't do anything to support those that don't have jobs or jobs that are gone forever?

You get a third world country... Not everyone can be a software engineer...

[JP10]

Originally Posted by chassis

If labor (labour) isn't plentiful for whatever reason, either pay up or reinvent the business to use less labor (labour). It's not optional.

Automate, become more efficient, eliminate labor intense products or services, go offshore, the list goes on. Or just sit there and take it in the shorts and watch the competition eat your lunch.

This is borderline hilarious. "It's simple guys, just pay your people more, oh and while you're at it make massive investments into automation with your 10s of million just chilling in the bank."

[chassis]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Fair enough... except what happens when many jobs are automated and the government doesn't do anything to support those that don't have jobs or jobs that are gone forever?

You get a third world country... Not everyone can be a software engineer...

Thanks, that's an interesting point. Have there been examples of this transition?

[chassis]

Originally Posted by JP10

This is borderline hilarious. "It's simple guys, just pay your people more, oh and while you're at it make massive investments into automation with your 10s of million just chilling in the bank."

JP10 What if automation doesn't require massive investments, and what if a company or company owner doesn't have tens of millions chilling in the bank? What are the nearest and best options for a company, or company owner, in that case?

[BigNorm4Life]

What wonder what the future awaits

My company is making money hand over fist... My role alone in the company nets 16 Million a year. As a commercial driver with a Class B CDL in the hazardous waste industry with 5 years and 300,000 miles experience driving in DC, Maryland, and Northern Virginia… I mean driving a truck in that area is the equivalent of walking through a minefield yet I have no accidents and no violations

I spoke up and professionally stated that I’m not accepting the usual baby boomer bs “good job” 3% raise and asked for $5.72 or 26% from the $22.28/hr I’m making now

There’s 4 jobs I highly qualify that’s paying $30.xx-$36.88

Tell me why I get back to the office…. There’s evidence the company is actively looking for my replacement along with evidence to support denying me the raise I asked for

F$&! Them I’m out!…. Every late model Range Rover, Gwagons and bimmers in the reserve parking lot and I can’t get shy a $6 raise

[ASAP]

Anyone feeling it even more now?

We have people quitting left and right but all that aside it seems my company doesn't remotely give a F about the people left over.

In fact, just consistent bitching about under performance even tho the financials are record level.

I legitimately think these corpos have lost it... prepare for something big on the labor side... because we are headed into a different future.

[rebekahb]

I had to take my work car to Ford service yesterday and they are definitely having problems. They hire someone and they don't show up or they come to work for a day or two leave for lunch and never come back.

I still see for hire signs everywhere. This is whole labor shortage is baffling to me. We're definitely living in strange times.

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by BigNorm4Life

What wonder what the future awaits

My company is making money hand over fist... My role alone in the company nets 16 Million a year. As a commercial driver with a Class B CDL in the hazardous waste industry with 5 years and 300,000 miles experience driving in DC, Maryland, and Northern Virginia… I mean driving a truck in that area is the equivalent of walking through a minefield yet I have no accidents and no violations

I spoke up and professionally stated that I’m not accepting the usual baby boomer bs “good job” 3% raise and asked for $5.72 or 26% from the $22.28/hr I’m making now

There’s 4 jobs I highly qualify that’s paying $30.xx-$36.88

Tell me why I get back to the office…. There’s evidence the company is actively looking for my replacement along with evidence to support denying me the raise I asked for

F$&! Them I’m out!…. Every late model Range Rover, Gwagons and bimmers in the reserve parking lot and I can’t get shy a $6 raise

If you qualify for a job paying $30-36/hour then go get it - what are you on here talking about? Even if you got your raise you asked for, you are still way below that mark on an hourly basis. Vote with your feet.

[Alfisti]

I am looking offshore, I cannot charge clients more than $35 an hour, the product just isn't worth that price point, even I admit that.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

I am looking offshore, I cannot charge clients more than $35 an hour, the product just isn't worth that price point, even I admit that.

Question is... will your customers care if the product or service is subpar? Will it reflect poorly on your company? Would you lose tax breaks for not hiring in your country?

[Tommy-G]

OK, so get ready for this.....(Does not apply to Florida)

You in the Midwest and the East Coast are hurting for....ready?????
SNOW PLOW DRIVERS!!! My talk radio show (other thread) had an interview from the local TV station how Detroit area and NY are in major shortages for snowplow drivers for the winter. Can you imagine the sh!t storm if people don't out of hand me outs?

[ASAP]

I personally think we need laws that favor the employee much more than before. We no longer have companies that take care of their employees.

Currently in the Us it is entirely the corporation that has the upper hand effectively creating a corporate dictatorship in a way. There is no enticement for company loyalty, right to work is a joke and there 0 laws with regards to healthcare coverage if you are let go etc.

It's honestly a system that relies on entrapment of the employee. In France it is very hard to fire or hire anybody and it really works in favor of the company to be good towards the employee and vice versa.

[vreihen16]

Originally Posted by Tommy-G

My talk radio show (other thread) had an interview from the local TV station how Detroit area and NY are in major shortages for snowplow drivers for the winter.

Most road crews doing snow removal are year-round government jobs, not seasonal hires. No shortage there.

Most plow drivers doing private driveways and parking lots are private contractors, who hire lawn service workers to run the plows in the off-season. Granted that some lawn service folks go south for the winter, but I have not seen a huge labor problem with the local lawn services around here that would hint at any changes this coming winter.....

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Question is... will your customers care if the product or service is subpar? Will it reflect poorly on your company? Would you lose tax breaks for not hiring in your country?

We plan to offer two services, one at one price, the other at another, you choose your preference. We do not get tax breaks.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by Tommy-G

OK, so get ready for this.....(Does not apply to Florida)

You in the Midwest and the East Coast are hurting for....ready?????
SNOW PLOW DRIVERS!!! My talk radio show (other thread) had an interview from the local TV station how Detroit area and NY are in major shortages for snowplow drivers for the winter. Can you imagine the sh!t storm if people don't out of hand me outs?

Here it is school bus drivers, they simply CANNOT find enough and some of the characters driving right now are dead set borderline street people.