Horner in trouble at Red Bull

[a5m]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

If this is an internal power-grab spat, and it results in losing Horner and why not Newey and other brains, say, to Ferrari, that’d be the stupidest move in a generation. Kiss bye-bye to breaking Hamilton’s record.

I’d like to think Marko, Jos, etc, aren’t that stupid.

Exactly this. Why you'd disturb a world championship winning formula is beyond me.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Lots of conspiracies on Tacticalrab's F1 gossip channel.
Apparently Marko and even Jos Verstappen are in on it.....
But for sure with Dietrich Mateschitz' passing a power void was left behind. When he was still alive, such strange gossipy situations didn't occur.

"IF" Jos had an opinion about Horner's situation his thoughts are worthless. Jos won't even get access in the Red Bull pitbox without Horner's permission .

I will never believe in the media BS click bait articles..
And Horner will be fine too.

But I do believe Wolff's spying pillow talk !

[Chihuahua]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

If this is an internal power-grab spat, and it results in losing Horner and why not Newey and other brains, say, to Ferrari, that’d be the stupidest move in a generation. Kiss bye-bye to breaking Hamilton’s record.

I’d like to think Marko, Jos, etc, aren’t that stupid.

Jos Verstappen is sociopathic, so in a way yes he would be this stupid.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by g21

i wonder if this is about Perez. RB/Marko/Jos wants to get rid of Perez but Horner said no. perhaps.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/red-bu...t-team-warning

After the first 5 races in this season ,Checo will get a RB evaluation .
Still not fast enough to support MAX in the race ?
Still not improved compared to last year ?
Still bad in qualifying ?

Then ...Checo will be gone ! And the RB20 seat dance begins ...

[toxik]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

But Jos should love Checo...Zero competition for his son

anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. jos doesnt care about constructor points, that's the only reason you'd want checo gone.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Chihuahua

Jos Verstappen is sociopathic, so in a way yes he would be this stupid.

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[Chihuahua]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

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[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

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Ohh that would be great, I'd love him to square up to that P OS McLaren Brown and knock his F* block off

[3798j]

"Horner may also have lost the personal and contractual backing of Adrian Newey. Eagle-eyed social media users noticed that Newey’s wife Amanda ‘liked’ a post on X linking her husband with a sensational move to Ferrari."

“Now’s your chance to tick off those regrets, Adrian,” the comment that Amanda liked read.

http://www.gptours.com/gr_news/anoth...attled-horner/

[G30M]

Originally Posted by 3798j

"Horner may also have lost the personal and contractual backing of Adrian Newey. Eagle-eyed social media users noticed that Newey’s wife Amanda ‘liked’ a post on X linking her husband with a sensational move to Ferrari."

“Now’s your chance to tick off those regrets, Adrian,” the comment that Amanda liked read.

http://www.gptours.com/gr_news/anoth...attled-horner/

the bit i take from this article is

"Following his recent obvious power struggle with Horner, Austrian Dr Helmut Marko has been conspicuously quiet amid the new scandal. When asked by motorsport-total.com’s Christian Nimmervoll, the 80-year-old said only: “Horner has done a great job over the years.”"

[3798j]

Originally Posted by g21

the bit i take from this article is

"Following his recent obvious power struggle with Horner, Austrian Dr Helmut Marko has been conspicuously quiet amid the new scandal. When asked by motorsport-total.com’s Christian Nimmervoll, the 80-year-old said only: “Horner has done a great job over the years.”"

Helmut the hit man...
That's Marko's way of saying...
"Tell Christian. I want him to know It was me."

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by a5m

Exactly this. Why you'd disturb a world championship winning formula is beyond me.

Perhaps this is coming from outside RB? Seems like a good way to disrupt MAX and go for an 8th (7th) WDC.

[Mr Pete]

Originally Posted by murderspice

Perhaps this is coming from outside RB? Seems like a good way to disrupt MAX and go for an 8th (7th) WDC.

This was Lewis Hamilton’s master plan. Somehow create chaos within Red Bull, and have Newey leave for Ferrari. Sneaky Brit that one.

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by Mr Pete

This was Lewis Hamilton’s master plan. Somehow create chaos within Red Bull, and have Newey leave for Ferrari. Sneaky Brit that one.

Lol

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by Mr Pete

This was Lewis Hamilton’s master plan. Somehow create chaos within Red Bull, and have Newey leave for Ferrari. Sneaky Brit that one.

Or just leak a non-story and say dick pics were involved. “Sources say…”

[G30M]

Originally Posted by murderspice

Perhaps this is coming from outside RB? Seems like a good way to disrupt MAX and go for an 8th (7th) WDC.

it is proposed that highly successful civilizations don't survive because of self destruction, we just might be witnessing one

no way some other team has anything to do with it. reading Marko's responses are enough for me.

https://www.google.com/search?q=self...n+civilization

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by g21

Nah it's Biden's fault.

You mean Sleepy Bernie ?

[toxik]

i miss Bernie Collins' voice

[Killed by Death]

good summary

[Marcoose]

Who gets an autograph from a team principal ?

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by 3798j

"Horner may also have lost the personal and contractual backing of Adrian Newey. Eagle-eyed social media users noticed that Newey’s wife Amanda ‘liked’ a post on X linking her husband with a sensational move to Ferrari."
“Now’s your chance to tick off those regrets, Adrian,” the comment that Amanda liked read.
http://www.gptours.com/gr_news/anoth...attled-horner/

Other tidbit from that article:

"Critically, Horner may still have the support of Red Bull’s non-Austrian ownership camp, the Thais, who control 51 percent of the energy drink brand.
“I have the feeling that the Austrian side really wants to get rid of Horner, especially with this issue,” Erik van Haren, a Dutch journalist for De Telegraaf, who has been very close to the story, said on the DRS De Race Show podcast.
“I think the Thai owner is still on Horner’s side at the moment. Ultimately, he has the most important voice.”"

For the record: the Dutch F1 journalist Erik van Haren has access to the inner circle of the Verstappens. He seems to have some sort of bee-line with them (especially Jos).

See this earlier post: https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...4#post29547984 - van Haren was the journalist who, in a surprisingly unreserved fashion, explained the Verstappen-Perez feud detonating publicly near the end of the Brazil 2022 race (cf. Verstappen on-board radio: "I gave my reasons"), revealing the very reason he had heard why Verstappen had defied RBR team orders to invert track position with slower team mate Perez (who was in dire need for WDC points at that time) at the end of the Brazil race: he pointed out that Perez had deliberately crashed his car during Monaco 2022 Q3, an unsportsmanlike decision by Perez ruining virtually everyone's qualy flying lap, including the one of Max Verstappen (purple sectors to no avail). To add insult to injury, Perez won the Monaco 2022 race the next day and threw a party at night (where, according to Max Verstappen's mother in a very controversial Instagram post, Perez allegedly "cheated on his wife"). van Haren explained that, during the Azerbaijan 2022 race weekend, Perez confessed to Horner and Marko during a meeting that his Monaco crash had indeed been deliberate. The story goes that Max Verstappen went ballistic when he got informed - Verstappen felt betrayed and would never forget this. The Verstappen-Perez personal relationship has been tainted ever since (as became obvious during the Brazil 2022 race). van Haren about the grudge: "Verstappen has always remembered this (...) Inside Verstappen's mind there is a difference between helping someone and truly deliberately screwing someone. And in his view that has happened in Monaco. And you can factually construe this. And he does not forget this.".

Possibly some teeth-gnashing down at camp Verstappen that Perez was allowed to remain RBR driver till the end of the 2024 race season as per his contract. Christian Horner has repeatedly been protective for Perez in interviews. Perez remained on board and got professional psychological help to improve his racing.

The mere fact that the RBR employee complaint has leaked in the press and that Horner has told van Haren's Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf that he strongly denies the allegations, is an indication that Horner's leadership is put under critical pressure. Even should Horner survive the RBR employee incident (which remains to be seen), his fate could be sealed should he lose the trust of the Red Bull parent company.

Anyways, Horner knows very well that he has a target on his back and that snipers are taking aim at him. Could be that he gets fed up and negotiates a golden parachute. Red Bull could give him wings to leave for another F1 team or to retire from the F1 world.

[M5Rick]

^ If it is discovered that this whole thing has been made with the intention of targeting CH with a spurious accusation linked to others who have their own agenda then it could well be them who will end up leaving.