F1 2024: Italian GP - Imola (May 19)

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by NYG

I'm worried about Ferrari.

Well I'm not worried . It's not sure yet if the Ferrari upgrades will work like it should be .
Red Fred said a - 0.5 sec. upgrade .As you know that's a sea of time in F1 terms .
I mean - 0.5 sec. over 10 laps that's a 5 sec. gap ...
No way !

On the other hand , Red Bull comes also with upgrades . I heard it wont be a small package .
And usualy the Red Bull upgrades are more effective .

Lando's McLaren upgrade worked really well that's why he was extremely fast in Miami .
Piastri didn't got the upgrade in Miami , but in Imola he will get it .

This means we can get 2 fast McLarens in front. That's why I think the danger will come from McLaren .
Papaya orange is the danger my friend !

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

It will be interested to see how Ferrari copying RB works for them. I have a feeling they are going to start to struggle with their design. Something tells me they might have some cooling issues they have not worked out with RB's design.

At the same time, I heard the RB20 will be visually very different. Anyone know anything else about the upcoming upgrades?

This ! Yes , I heard it too . The RB20 will look completely different ...

The zero-sidepod design ?
Who knows , so far It's still a secret . But I can't wait to see it .
On the other hand : MAX always said , I don't care how my car looks like .
It just has to be fast...

I couldn't agree more with that !

[Car-Addicted]

How's everyones blood pressure today?

Max Verstappen dealt a reality check by rival team principal: "There are six, seven drivers on the grid that will be world champions in the Red Bull"
May 13, 2024
Rival team principal Zak Brown has dealt a reality check as he claimed that Max Verstappen does not win the title in any car but the Red Bull. Verstappen has been on a dominant run since 2022 when he was defending his first title.
While this coincides with Red Bull coming to the front and producing one of the best cars in F1 history, Max Verstappen's performances have been peerless as well. Talking on "Beyond the Grid" podcast, Zak Brown felt that both the driver and the car played a huge role in the team's success.
Further accentuating his point, Brown claimed that despite how good Max Verstappen is, he won't win titles in any car other than Red Bull in the last couple of years. He said,
"Well, ultimately, you need both. I don't think without a star driver, you're going to win, so you need both. First, it does start with the car - people ask me all the time: 'is it car or driver?' And it's like: 'well, it's both'. I think the way I characterise it is, I think there are six, seven drivers on the grid that will be world champions in the Red Bull."
"As great as Max Verstappen is, and he's one of the best ever. I don't think Max wins the world championship today in any other car, other than the Red Bull."
https://www.sportskeeda.com/f1/max-v...pions-red-bull

Let the gnashing and grinding of teeth begin!

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

How's everyones blood pressure today?

Max Verstappen dealt a reality check by rival team principal: "There are six, seven drivers on the grid that will be world champions in the Red Bull"
May 13, 2024
Rival team principal Zak Brown has dealt a reality check as he claimed that Max Verstappen does not win the title in any car but the Red Bull. Verstappen has been on a dominant run since 2022 when he was defending his first title.
While this coincides with Red Bull coming to the front and producing one of the best cars in F1 history, Max Verstappen's performances have been peerless as well. Talking on "Beyond the Grid" podcast, Zak Brown felt that both the driver and the car played a huge role in the team's success.
Further accentuating his point, Brown claimed that despite how good Max Verstappen is, he won't win titles in any car other than Red Bull in the last couple of years. He said,
"Well, ultimately, you need both. I don't think without a star driver, you're going to win, so you need both. First, it does start with the car - people ask me all the time: 'is it car or driver?' And it's like: 'well, it's both'. I think the way I characterise it is, I think there are six, seven drivers on the grid that will be world champions in the Red Bull."
"As great as Max Verstappen is, and he's one of the best ever. I don't think Max wins the world championship today in any other car, other than the Red Bull."
https://www.sportskeeda.com/f1/max-v...pions-red-bull

Let the gnashing and grinding of teeth begin!

That's just BS from Brown !

Brown knows very well that a team has 2 drivers .
So Brown , where is/was Checo in the RB18/19/20 ?

Brown won a race with Lando in Miami and he's already playing mind-f@ck games , just like Wolff did in the past .

[M5Rick]

Someone should put a pin in Brown and he'll go *pop*

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Someone should put a pin in Brown and he'll go *pop*

And Wolff is throwing with a $200Million bait , just to get MAX in his Benz mobile !
Ough....The Irony !

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

And Wolff is throwing with a $200Million bait , just to get MAX in his Benz mobile !
Ough....The Irony !

A kid would have more sense with money than Wolff has.

[3798j]

F1 teams back extending points to 12th...

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by 3798j

F1 teams back extending points to 12th...

It'll give Williams and K Sauber hope for at least a glimmer of some points.

[TheStoka]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

That's just BS from Brown !

I don’t think there is anything wrong with his statement.
Put Max in Merc, Ferrari or Mcl would he have won the title the last two years. I very much doubt it.

Put Lewis, George, Lando, Charles, Carlos in the redbull would they. I think most likely yes.

This takes nothing from Max, still think he’s a generational talent and the best on the grid at the moment. But you can still only do what’s best with what you have.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by TheStoka

I don’t think there is anything wrong with his statement.
Put Max in Merc, Ferrari or Mcl would he have won the title the last two years. I very much doubt it.

Put Lewis, George, Lando, Charles, Carlos in the redbull would they. I think most likely yes.

This takes nothing from Max, still think he’s a generational talent and the best on the grid at the moment. But you can still only do what’s best with what you have.

I don't think so, look how long it took Checo to get on top of the RB chassis set up and is still sweating bad trying even now to stay in touch and every time it keeps coming back to the learning years of MAX which no one else had as strenuous and as thorough as he did in all weathers.
It would make no difference if any of the others you mention came to RB they would still struggle I think, setting apart Carlos who has something special. If the RB20 is set up to win for one person then only a fool TP would tune it down basically so that the other teammate would get closer, no?

[M5Rick]

With Lando's last win in mind there is a feeling that the RB20's will be turned up for more pace with the upgrades coming for Imola especially with the nearly 'all change' Ferrari B spec that has already been seen at Fiorano.

[MoeTE87]

Imola should be a very interesting and exciting race with all of these race car upgrades! Happy that it's at 9am ET and I don't have to wait all day or the race is happening while I am in bed fighting to stay awake!

Anyone else hear about this rumor that Chicago might be getting an F1 race in 2026?! God I hope not..

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by MoeTE87

Imola should be a very interesting and exciting race with all of these race car upgrades! Happy that it's at 9am ET and I don't have to wait all day or the race is happening while I am in bed fighting to stay awake!

Anyone else hear about this rumor that Chicago might be getting an F1 race in 2026?! God I hope not..

First I've heard of it for the Windy City.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by TheStoka

I don’t think there is anything wrong with his statement.
Put Max in Merc, Ferrari or Mcl would he have won the title the last two years. I very much doubt it.

Put Lewis, George, Lando, Charles, Carlos in the redbull would they. I think most likely yes.

This takes nothing from Max, still think he’s a generational talent and the best on the grid at the moment. But you can still only do what’s best with what you have.

The 2021 season....

Who has defeated LEW and won the 2021 WDC in a 40 km/h slower car ?
BTW : In 2021 LEW ran with the Merc Rocket PU and the cheating Party-Mode.
Put George, Lando, Charles, Carlos in a 40 km/h slower car and they would never beat LEW in his 2021 Merc Rocket.
MAX isn't done yet . MAX will win 5 WDC's in a row .

It's the MAX factor !

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by MoeTE87

Imola should be a very interesting and exciting race with all of these race car upgrades! Happy that it's at 9am ET and I don't have to wait all day or the race is happening while I am in bed fighting to stay awake!

Anyone else hear about this rumor that Chicago might be getting an F1 race in 2026?! God I hope not..

Well , I agree mate . The Imola GP ?

It could end up being a serious dog fight !

[TheStoka]

All I’m trying to say is the RB20 is a rocket ship and that’s mostly what Zac was saying.
That doesn’t take anything from max, he’s clearly the best driver on the grid at the moment as well. It’s a prefer combo, we are seeing dominance like never before. Now the headline and writing of that article make it sound like Zac might have said a lot worse but I don’t see nothing of that in his direct quotes.

Originally Posted by M5Rick

look how long it took Checo to get on top of the RB chassis set up

With all due respect to Sergio think he’s a great driver. I just feel all of the drivers named before would be able to put out better performances than he is managing.
As you suggest it would make zero sense for RB to being doing anything but trying to help Sergio get closer to Max.

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

The 2021 season....
Who has defeated LEW and won the 2021 WDC in a 40 km/h slower car ?
BTW : In 2021 LEW ran with the Merc Rocket PU and the cheating Party-Mode.

The 21 season was a great season full of chaos and yes Max won. But the performance difference between the RB16B and the W12 is nothing like we have currently. That RB20 holds a performance margin far greater.

As Zac states, you need both an extra special driver and equally as good car to win the year. Imo there’s more than one special driver on the grid this year, there’s one car showing its above the rest clearly.

Accusation of cheating engine modes is strange statement to make considering the actual breach of regulations from RB. Without even touching on Abu Dhabi.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by MoeTE87

Imola should be a very interesting and exciting race with all of these race car upgrades! Happy that it's at 9am ET and I don't have to wait all day or the race is happening while I am in bed fighting to stay awake!

Anyone else hear about this rumor that Chicago might be getting an F1 race in 2026?! God I hope not..

Don't think they'd want to dodge bullets and patch holes. Hazard pay for the drivers.

[MoeTE87]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Don't think they'd want to dodge bullets and patch holes. Hazard pay for the drivers.

I hope it's just a shitty rumor and it doesn't happen.

I know the Bears are getting a new stadium, so per the snipit I was reading, they want to somewhat mimic what Miami has done.

Too many races and too many in the USA. Don't want it to become very saturated and lose it's luster.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by TheStoka

All I’m trying to say is the RB20 is a rocket ship and that’s mostly what Zac was saying.
That doesn’t take anything from max, he’s clearly the best driver on the grid at the moment as well. It’s a prefer combo, we are seeing dominance like never before. Now the headline and writing of that article make it sound like Zac might have said a lot worse but I don’t see nothing of that in his direct quotes.



With all due respect to Sergio think he’s a great driver. I just feel all of the drivers named before would be able to put out better performances than he is managing.
As you suggest it would make zero sense for RB to being doing anything but trying to help Sergio get closer to Max.



The 21 season was a great season full of chaos and yes Max won. But the performance difference between the RB16B and the W12 is nothing like we have currently. That RB20 holds a performance margin far greater.

As Zac states, you need both an extra special driver and equally as good car to win the year. Imo there’s more than one special driver on the grid this year, there’s one car showing its above the rest clearly.
Accusation of cheating engine modes is strange statement to make
considering the actual breach of regulations from RB. Without even touching on Abu Dhabi.

Sure , we are having great drivers as Charlie , Alonso , Carlito , Norris , Piastri .

But would they win 10 races is a row , or win 18 races from the last 20 ?
No way mate !
Let's keep in mind , this are all new records in the F1 history and probably never beaten again .

The Merc W12 ?
The thing ran with and advantage of 120 ponies in the race.
And during the qualifying with the Party-Mode, the thing pushed with an advantage of 150 ponies !
I won't even speak of the DAS advantage ...

Accusations as you say ?
If it wasn't cheating . Then why it was banned by the FIA !

Speaking about a performance margin : Portugal 2020
Just 2 drivers weren't lapped by the Mercs !
And that was MAX and Charlie...
To see the finish of the rest you had to wait for the time from one lap and even more !

[NYG]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Sure , we are having great drivers as Charlie , Alonso , Carlito , Norris , Piastri .

But would they win 10 races is a row , or win 18 races from the last 20 ?
No way mate !
Let's keep in mind , this are all new records in the F1 history and probably never beaten again .

The Merc W12 ?
The thing ran with and advantage of 120 ponies in the race.
And during the qualifying with the Party-Mode, the thing pushed with an advantage of 150 ponies !
I won't even speak of the DAS advantage ...

Accusations as you say ?
If it wasn't cheating . Then why it was banned by the FIA !

Speaking about a performance margin : Portugal 2020
Just 2 drivers weren't lapped by the Mercs !
And that was MAX and Charlie...
To see the finish of the rest you had to wait for the time from one lap and even more !

That's what happens when Mercedes develops their hybrid engine years before everyone else.

[dfox]

Originally Posted by MoeTE87

I hope it's just a shitty rumor and it doesn't happen.

I know the Bears are getting a new stadium, so per the snipit I was reading, they want to somewhat mimic what Miami has done.

Too many races and too many in the USA. Don't want it to become very saturated and lose it's luster.

I recall talks a while back and I thought the Chicago city council voted down the idea. Maybe I'm confusing it with a different city?

As far as having too many races in the US - I disagree. Sure the US is "one country" but as can be seen by the outrageous demand and pricing for the US based F1 races compared to those in Europe, there aren't enough yet. Overlay the US map onto the F1 races in Europe and it'll cover 9 races, just barely not able to reach down to the additional 4 middle-east races. Not sure what races are displaced, but as a sport that's growing beyond being just a European sport, the US is still underrepresented.