F1 2021: Saudi Arabian GP - Jeddah (Dec 5)

inTgr8r · 12-06-2021, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by forza1976

Spot on Horner!

Go Max

LOL... and how well did VER handle the corners in quali

Steeler · 12-06-2021, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by forza1976

Spot on Horner!

Go Max

Karen should teach Crash "weaver" how to drive in a straight line.
Not just in the corners

inTgr8r · 12-06-2021, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Crimson92

Yeah but the sudden acceleration and sudden deceleration line is max so I don't really see the point you're trying to make.

It clearly shows max accelerated then hard braked.

It's OK, he understands but just can't bring himself to admit it.

vector up = accel
vector down = brakes
peak = brake check

forza1976 · 12-06-2021, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by inTgr8r

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Originally Posted by forza1976

Spot on Horner!

Go Max

LOL... and how well did VER handle the corners in quali

Lol. You are missing the point.

inTgr8r · 12-06-2021, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by forza1976

Lol. You are missing the point.

maybe if you actually made a point??

///M Power-Belgium · 12-06-2021, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Crimson92

Yeah but the sudden acceleration and sudden deceleration line is max so I don't really see the point you're trying to make.

It clearly shows max accelerated then hard braked.

Listen mate ...
MAX got the order to let HAM by .We know that .. Fine !

"BUT"
Let HAM by in a strategic manner !

In other words :
Both (HAM and MAX) they were aware, the DRS zone was coming on the straight ..
To get and to keep P2 was the key there !

What followed was : "The Roadrunner" !
Do you understand ?

tdott · 12-06-2021, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by forza1976

Spot on Horner!

Go Max

Where did Max hit the wall again?

///M Power-Belgium · 12-06-2021, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by inTgr8r

LOL... and how well did VER handle the corners in quali

It's not necessary for HAM to shave the walls with millimeters to gain time and speed .
Shaving walls requires b@lls and HAM is too chicken anyway ..
HAM's Mercedes RocketShip pulled him to the pole ..Relaxed !

Bubbles · 12-06-2021, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Onesie

What are you talking about "speed or distance behind the car"? Why does it matter to you if he's 10 cars behind max, 1, or 100?

School is closed until tomorrow. Feel free to reread for comprehension.

F87source · 12-06-2021, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Shaving walls requires b@lls and HAM is too chicken anyway ..

This is the mentality that costs championships that could've been wrapped up long ago.

Bubbles · 12-06-2021, 10:46 PM

Interestingly, Hamilton is just one reprimand away from a grid penalty (10 place grid penalty). During the third free practice for the Saudi Arabian Grand Prix, the Briton received a warning for an incident with mazaspin and a warning in Mexico when he failed to comply with instructions.

As a result, Hammy already has two warnings so a third reprimand in a season, two of which are for driving offences, he will get a 10 place grid penalty.

inTgr8r · 12-06-2021, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by F87source

This is the mentality that costs championships that could've been wrapped up long ago.

100%
This could easily have been wrapped up by MAX before COTA.
And I would absolutely have congratulated him.

Bubbles · 12-06-2021, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Onesie

Ok teacher, go to bed feeling great you think your opinion is a class. I asked what your opinion was, and why it mattered to you.

But, another one for the list…

You are right, I was referencing the speed and car length gap during formation laps for restarts. Too much of a gap disadvantages the cars in front regarding tire temps. Hammy exceeded the 10 car length rule on the restart which helped him get the hole shot in part with the rocket PU.

Hopefully that helps.

This can be a binary rule and eliminate the emotion from the equation.

Bubbles · 12-06-2021, 10:50 PM

Please send the wing maker for AT to Mercs F1 camp ASAP. AT seems to use basla wood and waffles.

Bubbles · 12-06-2021, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Onesie

Got it, thanks man. Understood.
And if that's the spirit of the rule, I agree. Not the letter, but the spirit of it.

Still think he didn't run max off anywhere though. He kept on the track, and max just wasn't braking where he should, forcing himself out of the track, in a "hit or miss" situation.

Here are a few screen grabs of Lap 43. Conceptually I don’t view this as a problem but FIA can’t dish out penalties for this sometimes and do nothing for largely identical situations. It’s gotta cut both ways, my preference is to let them race.

Masi FIA race director Michael Masi said that was “borderline black-and-white warning flag” moment. Yet he did nothing, dude is in over his head.

F87source · 12-06-2021, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by inTgr8r

100%
This could easily have been wrapped up by MAX before COTA.
And I would absolutely have congratulated him.

I will still congratulate either of the two who will win next race. Lets hope it is a good one, and not spoiled by penalties, crashes, or whatnot.

Bartledoo · 12-07-2021, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Bubbles

Here are a few screen grabs of Lap 43. Conceptually I don’t view this as a problem but FIA can’t dish out penalties for this sometimes and do nothing for largely identical situations. It’s gotta cut both ways, my preference is to let them race.

Masi FIA race director Michael Masi said that was “borderline black-and-white warning flag” moment. Yet he did nothing, dude is in over his head.

Ham ahead the entire time from entry to apex though right? And on inside position?

Bartledoo · 12-07-2021, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Onesie

His contention is that HAM goes wide, not leaving enough room for MAX, which is understandable. If he did so, as the stills show, it's not cool and it's against the rules.
I'll have to re-watch as I might have missed it that way.

Ah. I guess I can’t really tell the exact line from the stills to even judge.

M Hybrid V8 · 12-07-2021, 01:23 AM

Even if HAM pushed MAX wide, HAM stayed within the boundaries of the track. MAX completely ignored track boundaries in Brazil. There is a huge difference. MAX's move in Brazil couldn't have been done with a gravel trap or wall at the edge of the track.

M5Rick · 12-07-2021, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Listen mate ...
MAX got the order to let HAM by .We know that .. Fine !

"BUT"
Let HAM by in a strategic manner !

In other words :
Both (HAM and MAX) they were aware, the DRS zone was coming on the straight ..
To get and to keep P2 was the key there !

What followed was : "The Roadrunner" !
Do you understand ?

Anything non tech they just don't get it. All Ham had to do was keep going he then hit Max gawping at his dash and clueless Mikey penalised Max..what a F* joke and his b&w flag quip was out of Popye the Sailor.
That Hams elastic bendy wing which didn't break off was also not investigated shows the whole shebang is rigged.

M5Rick · 12-07-2021, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bubbles

Please send the wing maker for AT to Mercs F1 camp ASAP. AT seems to use basla wood and waffles.

Merc seems to have an open cheque for these things and a very good accountant.

F87source · 12-07-2021, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by M5Rick

That Hams elastic bendy wing which didn't break off was also not investigated shows the whole shebang is rigged.

So since max's transmission didn't fail for the same crash as Charles and was not investigated, this means the whole thing is rigged for max?

Right, good logic.

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Bubbles Brigadier General 2822 Rep 4,445 Posts Drives: Green Bastard Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bishop Bend iTrader: (3)	Interestingly, Hamilton is just one reprimand away from a grid penalty (10 place grid penalty). During the third free practice for the Saudi Arabian Grand Prix, the Briton received a warning for an incident with mazaspin and a warning in Mexico when he failed to comply with instructions. As a result, Hammy already has two warnings so a third reprimand in a season, two of which are for driving offences, he will get a 10 place grid penalty. __________________
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M Hybrid V8 First Lieutenant 1060 Rep 328 Posts Drives: '25 X6 M60i Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: Germany iTrader: (0)	Even if HAM pushed MAX wide, HAM stayed within the boundaries of the track. MAX completely ignored track boundaries in Brazil. There is a huge difference. MAX's move in Brazil couldn't have been done with a gravel trap or wall at the edge of the track.
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