Still want an EV? (NO POLITICS)

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Chappers 71

Hey Rick how you doing?

Personally I reckon this whole ‘EV thing’ will end up like BetaMax once sustainable fuel comes fully on line

I'm okay thanks and hope you are doing well too Chappers.
Eventually EV will be done away with after hard truths are learnt but not after huge cost to the public before the idiots in charge admit it's all a big mistake and the pollution stats were all made up.

[Car-Addicted]

OUCH
EU Tariffs on China EVs to Reach as High as 48% With New Levies
June 12, 2024



Aside from SAIC’s top rate, BYD will have to pay an additional 17.4% levy, and Geely — which owns Volvo Car AB — faces an extra 20% charge. While the probe targeted Chinese-owned EVs, Western carmakers including Tesla, BMW and Renault that produce in China and ship to the EU also face higher costs. Those cooperating with the probe are set for extra charges of 21% based on a weighted average.
Almost one-fifth of battery-electric vehicles sold in the EU in 2023 were made in China, according to lobby group Transport & Environment. That figure is set to rise to 25% this year, T&E said.
German automakers including Volkswagen and BMW would be hit hardest in a trade spat, as they collectively sold 4.6 million cars there in 2022.
China has urged Brussels to refrain from imposing the penalties and indicated it’s prepared to levy tariffs as high as 25% on imported cars with large engines, hitting the likes of Porsche, Mercedes and BMW.
This included a letter Wang sent to Dombrovskis, the EU trade chief, threatening action against the aviation and agriculture industries. Brussels has long argued that its procedure is based on WTO rules.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/eu-impose...101006535.html

If the EU wasn't so obsessed with the global warming grift they might have headed this one off years ago. Brexit looking like a smarter idea every day.

[JimmyTheHand]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

ICE and EV's can catch fire randomly and I haven't read anyone suggesting other wise.
Fuses do stop most shorts and thus fires and that is true on ICE, EV's and almost everything that runs on electric.

There ought to be a few concepts we can agree on.

I don't know how you read

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

ICEV just do not spontaneously catch fire sitting parked. There is no ignition source to cause a fire even if it is leaking gasoline.

But I do read that as someone saying ICE can't randomly catch fire. espeically when they go on about the EV batteries can spontaneously combust, which based on the stats from fleets (so less likely older vehicles) seems much rarer than ICE cars.

Yes Fuses stop most risks associated with shorts, but not all fire risks from electrical systems come from shorts.

[eugenebmw]

Man raises concerns over growing trend happening at charging stations across the country

https://www.thecooldown.com/green-bu...sm-wire-theft/

According to Fox 11 Los Angeles, wire theft crimes have skyrocketed in their city and cost taxpayers around $2.5 million.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by JimmyTheHand

I don't know how you read

But I do read that as someone saying ICE can't randomly catch fire. especially when they go on about the EV batteries can spontaneously combust, which based on the stats from fleets (so less likely older vehicles) seems much rarer than ICE cars.

Yes Fuses stop most risks associated with shorts, but not all fire risks from electrical systems come from shorts.

I was speaking specifically to the ICEV gasoline fuel catching on fire spontaneously, which is analogous to the EV battery chemicals catching on fire spontaneously. Any vehicle either ICEV or EV can catch fire from an electrical short. Houses can catch fire from electrical shorts.

My position is gasoline stored in the fuel take is a far more stable and safe method to store energy for propulsion than a Lithium-ion battery, which can self-ignite.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

We have a nutter in GB calling himself Sir and saying it's 'time for change' with bringing the gas car sales ban back to 2030, sounds very much like a prelude to disaster to me.

=> https://www.hln.be/buitenland/belg-5...gpas~a241a7e6/

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

I wonder how crazy the ADM's will be on the last year of pure ICE production in sports cars and pickups? I would imagine Porsche, Ferrari and lesser extent BMW and Mercedes will be sold out well in advance.

Fossil fuel producers, corn growers sue to block new Biden vehicle emissions rule
Biofuels groups joined oil and gas producers this week to file a lawsuit seeking to block the Biden administration's new tailpipe emission standards they say would effectively end the sale of new, gas-powered vehicles by 2032.
The American Petroleum Institute and the American Fuel & Petrochemical Manufacturers were joined by the National Corn Growers Association, American Farm Bureau Federation, and several car dealerships as co-petitioners in the lawsuit that argues the Environmental Protection Agency has overstepped its authority under the Clean Air Act, which grants the agency power to regulate vehicle emissions.
In March, the EPA issued final new vehicle emissions standards for light- and medium-duty vehicles that require 68% of new passenger vehicles and 43% of new medium-duty trucks and vans to be electric by 2032, which would force automakers to produce and sell more electric vehicles to meet the new standards.
"EPA has exceeded its congressional authority with this regulation that will eliminate most new gas cars and traditional hybrids from the U.S. market in less than a decade," the API said.
EPA "overstepped in finalizing fleetwide average standards, rather than concrete standards that all cars and trucks must meet," according to the AFPM. "Since no gas, diesel or traditional hybrid today can meet 85 grams/mile, EPA's averaging scheme... is clearly meant to force EV adoption."

As I've stated in the past, this legal action is the result of letting CARB have free reign on the Nation's emissions policy since CARB was founded in 1967. CARB has been on a quest for zero-emission vehicles since the get-go. CARB is like a Terminator, it will not stop until it kills the internal combustion engine.

We as voters (and by not voting more so) have given the Government too much power.

[Condorll]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

The California Air Resources Board is mandating CA Gas tax to Increase 50-Cents Per Year with Clean Air Tax. CA is so screwed.

[eliphil]

No one ever talks about the study that showed ev batteries are worse for the environment then gas run cars…….

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

=> https://www.hln.be/buitenland/belg-5...gpas~a241a7e6/

Someone forgot to switch this oven on wheels off. oooof

[Car-Addicted]

AAA: 63% of US adults 'very unlikely' to buy EV as next car amid rising hybrid interest
June 12, 2024
Only about 18 percent of US adults say they would be "very likely" or "likely" to buy a new or used EV - down from 23 percent last year.
"Early adopters who wanted an EV already have one," said Greg Brannon, director of automotive research at AAA.
https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/aaa...ybrid-interest

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

AAA: 63% of US adults 'very unlikely' to buy EV as next car amid rising hybrid interest
June 12, 2024
Only about 18 percent of US adults say they would be "very likely" or "likely" to buy a new or used EV - down from 23 percent last year.
"Early adopters who wanted an EV already have one," said Greg Brannon, director of automotive research at AAA.
https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/aaa...ybrid-interest

Good, the end of the EV is on the horizon with more and more ppl going for hybrid but keeping with gas cars is the wise choice.
The long term reliability of hybrids is unknown and these heavy vehicles are subject to the same fire risk as EV's and huge service bills if they go wrong with the complex wiring and electronics in them.

[G30M]

[gblansten]

Meanwhile, still enjoying my green insanity fake Gucci bag, shitbox Pinto EV. Got an OTA update last week and now I just have to stand behind my car and the trunk will open. Love that feature. It's a blast to drive and my entire neighborhood has, so far, not burned to the ground and our local environs have not had a civilization level collapse. Cheers.

[gblansten]

I also enjoy the gps based system where it remembers to raise the suspension for places around town where I might scrape. And, cabin overheat protection keeps the car from getting too hot during the day. And cooling the car to something like 72 before I get into it after work or after a hike is wonderful.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Good, the end of the EV is on the horizon with more and more ppl going for hybrid but keeping with gas cars is the wise choice.
The long term reliability of hybrids is unknown and these heavy vehicles are subject to the same fire risk as EV's and huge service bills if they go wrong with the complex wiring and electronics in them.

I doubt the EV's will go the way of the dodo bird. There are plenty of folks who can afford a second car and who's driving patterns work for EV's. And there are a lot of folks who can turn a blind eye to the environmental damage these EV's do to save the planet.

As for Hybrids, I suspect this segment will surpass EV's in a couple years. Maybe the technology and the battery evolution will make this the preeminent vehicle choice but that will be decades.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by gblansten

I also enjoy the gps based system where it remembers to raise the suspension for places around town where I might scrape. And, cabin overheat protection keeps the car from getting too hot during the day. And cooling the car to something like 72 before I get into it after work or after a hike is wonderful.

An ICE car could do both those tricks too.

[gblansten]

Absolutely

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by G30M

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

No, EV's have fewer maintenance visits, but those visits are more expensive than ICE. The level of technician needed for EV and hybrids is also higher than for ICE. A big factor driving insurance costs on EV's.

For all cars the level of computerization is driving a huge technician shortage. Many many YouTubes showing the ridiculous amount of disassembly to do many supposedly simple jobs. The level of skill required can make more money doing something else.

Any issue with EV, you have to go back to the dealership and get it fix. Your dealership will give you a big smile but you will not be happy when you look at your bank account. ICE, there are so many independent shops you can pick and choose.

[NYG]

I put about 25k miles on my Model Y in the last year since I purchased it.

I may have mentioned this before in the thread or another one but here's a short list of reasons why I want to get rid of it:

Windshield wipers are atrocious - They go off randomly, they're never fast enough in heavy rain and too fast in light rain. There needs to be more speed settings.
Navigation is horrific - Especially in NYC. On a daily basis it screws up traffic predictions and status. Always takes you on the worst route.
Uncomfortable - Way too stiff and they're some of the only seats that give me back pain
Supercharging sucks no matter how hard people cope about it. Charging at home and driving to work is fine but every time I drive long distances for a trip, supercharging sucks and is completely inconvenient. I have way better shit to do than hang out with a bunch of dorks for an hour at a Wawa. The worst is stopping at a supercharger during peak hours and you're getting like 15-25 mi/hr charge speeds - especially in the summer.
The autopilot is nowhere near as good as the one I tried on a Q8.
The interior is such garbage that it's depressing. It's not minimalism... it's trash.


Some good highlights about the car:

If you charge at home and are driving 1-200 miles per day (or less) then it's completely sensible.
No maintenance is great.
Low center of gravity so it does feel very well planted.
Extremely safe.
Great torque delivery on the highway.


I'm not saying they don't have a place or don't make sense for a lot of people but it's not for me - big regret getting one.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by NYG

I'm not saying they don't have a place or don't make sense for a lot of people but it's not for me - big regret getting one.

I'm surprised and disappointed that you had those issues with a Tesla. I would have thought they had it all ironed out by now.