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      03-12-2023, 05:51 PM   #7459
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So much going on and the optics aren’t on our side; we’re going to be the bad guys either way this goes.
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So much going on and the optics aren’t on our side; we’re going to be the bad guys either way this goes.
Sometimes you need to save your bacon and worry about the optics later.
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So much going on and the optics aren’t on our side; we’re going to be the bad guys either way this goes.
You need better optics. I can recommend Aimpoint red dots for up close and personal. Nightforce for far away, but still personal. Vortex for the budget-minded.
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You need better optics. I can recommend Aimpoint red dots for up close and personal. Nightforce for far away, but still personal. Vortex for the budget-minded.
I should’ve been more clear. Optics from a social construct/anti-LEO climate perspective. He has a history of wanting to die via suicide-by-cop and he reiterated that when this began Friday afternoon. It’s an SEB/SWAT operation currently. They took over Friday after we took about 30 rounds from this guy. We have a new Sheriff who has no experience running a department of this size. It’s really a mess from many angles.
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I should’ve been more clear. Optics from a social construct. He has a history of wanting to die via suicide-by-cop and he reiterated that when this started Friday afternoon. It’s an SEB/SWAT operation currently. They took over Friday after we took about 30 rounds from this guy. We have a new Sheriff who has no experience running a department of this size. It’s really a mess from many angles.
I was going to jump in and suggest that perhaps we were talking about different "optics".
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….and now we’ve entered the home and retrieved multiple firearms. Trying to get the status of the suspect now.

edit: He has succumbed to a gunshot wound.

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….and now we’ve entered the home and retrieved multiple firearms. Trying to get the status of the suspect now.

edit: He has succumbed to a gunshot wound.
Ain't that a cryin' shame.
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Silver lining: he holed up at home instead of going to a mall or other crowded place and taking others with him.
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Silver lining: he holed up at home instead of going to a mall or other crowded place and taking others with him.
Fortunately!


….but, the dude shot at two Jehovah Witnesses multiple times and hit his lady over the head with a rifle stock before shooting at us for two days (…one round nearly killing one of my partners; the round whizzed right by his head and hit the side-view mirror of a parked car). He wanted to take everybody with him.
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I should’ve been more clear. Optics from a social construct/anti-LEO climate perspective. He has a history of wanting to die via suicide-by-cop and he reiterated that when this began Friday afternoon. It’s an SEB/SWAT operation currently. They took over Friday after we took about 30 rounds from this guy. We have a new Sheriff who has no experience running a department of this size. It’s really a mess from many angles.
I knew what you meant the first time. I was trying to be snarky.
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….but, the dude shot at two Jehovah Witnesses multiple times and hit his lady over the head with a rifle stock before shooting at us for two days (…one round nearly killing one of my partners; the round whizzed right by his head and hit the side-view mirror of a parked car). He wanted to take everybody with him.
Who ripped the roof open?
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I knew what you meant the first time. I was trying to be snarky.


I should’ve known.

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Who ripped the roof open?
The mini-cat armored vehicles did all of that. They are basically armored tractors with a long rotating saw-type device on the front.
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The mini-cat armored vehicles did all of that. They are basically armored tractors with a long rotating saw-type device on the front.
I don't suppose that mini cat would fit through a double set of front doors? Just drive it right in to the house and take it for a spin to see what the suspect is up to? Maybe saw him in half while you're at it? Oh wait, optics...yeah, don't do the last bit.
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Who ripped the roof open?
The Taco Bell the suspect ate the night before, coupled with a 24h standoff that presumably did not allow him time for a proper bathroom break.
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How do you know if barricaded subject is in the bathroom? Would that be an opportune time to breach the front door?
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How do you know if barricaded subject is in the bathroom? Would that be an opportune time to breach the front door?
I used to work with a guy who'd been on the ETF (SWAT), he'd gone out for Indian food and the next day his team was doing a dynamic warrant for guns and drugs....midway through the raid he had an urgent matter to tend to so he had the gun team barricade the washroom door while he answered the call.
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How often do you guys ticket jack-wagons that park illegally in handicapped spots? Often, I hope.
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How often do you guys ticket jack-wagons that park illegally in handicapped spots? Often, I hope.
I'd lay a tag whenever I saw one, but searching parking lots for that isn't really high on the priority list. I know most places have Parking Enforcement who deal with those. But in Toronto it was about volume of tags on rush hour routes to keep traffic moving.
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I'd lay a tag whenever I saw one, but searching parking lots for that isn't really high on the priority list. I know most places have Parking Enforcement who deal with those. But in Toronto it was about volume of tags on rush hour routes to keep traffic moving.
I'm a bit sensitive to that violation as my father-in-law needed a spot, as does my sister-in-law now. I wish I could ticket them!
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I'm a bit sensitive to that violation as my father-in-law needed a spot, as does my sister-in-law now. I wish I could ticket them!
You can, you just can't enforce it.

Or you could become a cop and help shore up the depleting force and then you could hunt to your content.
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You can, you just can't enforce it.

Or you could become a cop and help shore up the depleting force and then you could hunt to your content.
Can't... I'm too old and couldn't pass the physical due to a CABG 5 years ago.
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