Still want an EV? (NO POLITICS)

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Climate change is constant and therefore NOT a problem. Current CO2 levels are near previous extinction levels.

So Man should not continually work to do better when it comes to reducing emissions, pollution, improve efficiency, reduce demand resources, etc.? There is so much more to this than just climate change.

You gravely underestimate the amount of review EPA takes into consideration when establishing policy. You have not clue how the process works and all the industry experts involved. Sure, they make mistakes but things do get reconciled, revised, etc.

Sometimes EPA has to push hard. If they didn't push hard, we wouldn't have catalytic converter technology because automakers pushed extremely hard back in 70s not to have the tech go thru. Could you imagine a populated world now that smells like Grudge Night at the drag strip? Ever sat behind a 1970 car at idle? It will make your eyes water.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Climate change is constant and therefore NOT a problem. Current CO2 levels are near previous extinction levels.

Why are you even commenting when you don't even understand the hypothesis?

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

Wow, what a perfectly meaningless test.

Why is it meaningless? It is testing the batteries for survivable impacts.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by RM7

Why are you even commenting when you don't even understand the hypothesis?

In simple terms he's explaining in the graph that basically there is no noticeable climate change from when time began and when prehistoric reptiles were made extinct, gubments have completely overreacted listening to climate control madmen forcing unwanted EV's onto an easy target public.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

So Man should not continually work to do better when it comes to reducing emissions, pollution, improve efficiency, reduce demand resources, etc.? There is so much more to this than just climate change.

You gravely underestimate the amount of review EPA takes into consideration when establishing policy. You have not clue how the process works and all the industry experts involved. Sure, they make mistakes but things do get reconciled, revised, etc.

Sometimes EPA has to push hard. If they didn't push hard, we wouldn't have catalytic converter technology because automakers pushed extremely hard back in 70s not to have the tech go thru. Could you imagine a populated world now that smells like Grudge Night at the drag strip? Ever sat behind a 1970 car at idle? It will make your eyes water.

I don't think any of us are for a more polluted environment. What I have issue with is trying to control anthropogenic causes that are thought to influence climate change outside of its nominal cyclical progressions. I believe Milankovitch cycles and plate tectonics and solar output far outweigh human influences on the climate.

The newest theme, now that rational people have injected geology and paleontology science into the discussion, is anthropogenic-acceleration of the "short term" climate. There is no short term or long term climate, there is just climate. Any modeling of GHG effect tied to climate cycle and the resulting purposeful anthropogenic manipulation of climate drivers is merely Man's futile effort to keep the climate static. ALL the data collected so far indicates there is no such thing as a static climate. If Man thinks he has the capability to offset plate tectonics and orbital performance of the planet to keep the climate static to prolong his window of time as a species on the Earth to either delay or forgo his extinction, well, I just have to laugh.

What I fear is the very near term effects such ideas will have on the economy and continuation of a bountiful food source. It is proven that Totalitarian governments have been known to starve to death tens of millions of people in the span of decades. Rather than scare the living shit out of the children by telling them they are killing the planet, we should be teaching them proper economic theory. That is far more important to their health and well being.

The planet takes care of itself.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

So Man should not continually work to do better when it comes to reducing emissions, pollution, improve efficiency, reduce demand resources, etc.?

Strawman much? Do you still beat your wife?

Originally Posted by XutvJet

You gravely underestimate the amount of review EPA takes into consideration when establishing policy. You have not clue how the process works and all the industry experts involved. Sure, they make mistakes but things do get reconciled, revised, etc.

The EPA is a political construct and the fact that you can't see that is sad. I beat the EPA in court when I was in my 20's and I will never have respect for bureaucrats that couldn't cut it in the private sector.

Originally Posted by XutvJet

Sometimes EPA has to push hard.

Watchdog questions accuracy of EPA’s scientific integrity
Investigators had first expressed concern in 2011 that employees might not be familiar with the agency’s scientific integrity guidelines. But following the most recent report — given to the agency in June and made public in August — investigators said the EPA has taken action to correct the problems.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...cientific-int/

[Ugly Kar]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I don't think any of us are for a more polluted environment. What I have issue with is trying to control anthropogenic causes that are thought to influence climate change outside of its nominal cyclical progressions. I believe Milankovitch cycles and plate tectonics and solar output far outweigh human influences on the climate.

The newest theme, now that rational people have injected geology and paleontology science into the discussion, is anthropogenic-acceleration of the "short term" climate. There is no short term or long term climate, there is just climate. Any modeling of GHG effect tied to climate cycle and the resulting purposeful anthropogenic manipulation of climate drivers is merely Man's futile effort to keep the climate static. ALL the data collected so far indicates there is no such thing as a static climate. If Man thinks he has the capability to offset plate tectonics and orbital performance of the planet to keep the climate static to prolong his window of time as a species on the Earth to either delay or forgo his extinction, well, I just have to laugh.

What I fear is the very near term effects such ideas will have on the economy and continuation of a bountiful food source. It is proven that Totalitarian governments have been known to starve to death tens of millions of people in the span of decades. Rather than scare the living shit out of the children by telling them they are killing the planet, we should be teaching them proper economic theory. That is far more important to their health and well being.

The planet takes care of itself.

And this had a far greater effect on global warming than anything man has ever done. As well as Mt. St. Helens in 1980 and Mt. Pinatubo in the Philippines in 1991.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_H...on_and_tsunami

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

Because planes fall out of the sky perfectly vertical onto a perfectly flat surface.

You dont know the difference between a survivable impact/crash and non-survivable then. Airbags, seatbelts, emergency exits, crash structures, fire extinguishers, survival kits, rafts, lifevests, ELTs, etc., all exist because there is a threshold of Gs and forces that define survivable vs non-survivable. Please come back to reality.

[Car-Addicted]

OOPS. . I thought they didn't catch fire when there is a "survivable impact"?

Heatherwilde Boulevard at Texas 45 in Pflugerville shut down by electric vehicle fire.
April 1, 2024
A crash and a fire involving an electric vehicle has closed Heatherwilde Boulevard in both directions at Texas 45 in Pflugerville, officials said Monday morning.

Police are asking drivers in the area to seek an alternative route as traffic is being diverted.

The intersection is closed and crews will remain on scene until fire is extinguished, officials with Travis County ESD 2 said on its Facebook page. They said fires involving electronic vehicles require different tactics then typical vehicle fires and that many times the best tactic is to let the vehicle burn.

[Car-Addicted]

Chesco family says EV charger nearly caught home on fire: What you should know
Friday, April 5, 2024
That outlet was the EV charger used for his Tesla.
He showed us the charred and melted piece of plastic is what's left. Belcraft also wondered what could have happened if his senses had not alerted him.
"My daughter's bedroom is right above the garage. I called a master electrician independent from the builder who came out and said we were minutes from a house fire," he recalled.



"But an EV charger can go for 10-12 hours at full capacity," he said. "These wires can't cool off. They're in the walls with insulation, and before you know it there's a fire."

It's information Becraft wished he knew. He told us a master electrician said his issue was a substandard outlet and the wires were not torqued down correctly.
He is now set up with a wall box and a dedicated circuit in his electrical panel.
"I learned that these setups are very common," he added.
Experts also told us some counties and municipalities also require a permit to install a charging station inside your home.
https://6abc.com/chester-county-pa-f...-car/14617760/

Why in the world would a permit not be required to install a 220volt outlet?

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Chesco family says EV charger nearly caught home on fire: What you should know
Friday, April 5, 2024
That outlet was the EV charger used for his Tesla.
He showed us the charred and melted piece of plastic is what's left. Belcraft also wondered what could have happened if his senses had not alerted him.
"My daughter's bedroom is right above the garage. I called a master electrician independent from the builder who came out and said we were minutes from a house fire," he recalled.



"But an EV charger can go for 10-12 hours at full capacity," he said. "These wires can't cool off. They're in the walls with insulation, and before you know it there's a fire."

It's information Becraft wished he knew. He told us a master electrician said his issue was a substandard outlet and the wires were not torqued down correctly.
He is now set up with a wall box and a dedicated circuit in his electrical panel.
"I learned that these setups are very common," he added.
Experts also told us some counties and municipalities also require a permit to install a charging station inside your home.
https://6abc.com/chester-county-pa-f...-car/14617760/

Why in the world would a permit not be required to install a 220volt outlet?

I had a Tesla certified and well known electrician to us do our two runs. Complete trust in their work as they put in high grade stuff. These cheap Nema 14-50 outlets are not safe for dryers or for welders either. Way too much electricity to go cheap.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

OOPS. . I thought they didn't catch fire when there is a "survivable impact"?

Heatherwilde Boulevard at Texas 45 in Pflugerville shut down by electric vehicle fire.
April 1, 2024
A crash and a fire involving an electric vehicle has closed Heatherwilde Boulevard in both directions at Texas 45 in Pflugerville, officials said Monday morning.

Police are asking drivers in the area to seek an alternative route as traffic is being diverted.

The intersection is closed and crews will remain on scene until fire is extinguished, officials with Travis County ESD 2 said on its Facebook page. They said fires involving electronic vehicles require different tactics then typical vehicle fires and that many times the best tactic is to let the vehicle burn.

I worked in reinsurance once and one of the most banded about wisecracks was when a woman put a claim in on her wrecked vehicle stating that the lamppost must have moved.
That image kind of reminds me about it.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by gblansten

I had a Tesla certified and well known electrician to us do our two runs. Complete trust in their work as they put in high grade stuff. These cheap Nema 14-50 outlets are not safe for dryers or for welders either. Way too much electricity to go cheap.

Yup this is a known thing, cheap 14-50 outlets most likely will burn out.

I'd go with Hubbell or Bryant.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

Tesla is cutting rear-wheel-drive Model Y prices by $4,600. The Model Y Long Range and Model Y Performance will see $5,000 price cuts, according to Bloomberg.

If they get to free I'll gift mine to gblansten

[Car-Addicted]

We’ve been promised that EVs will lead to cleaner air. This Bay Area study just proved it
04-04-2024
Researchers from the University of California, Berkeley, finally have some answers: Between 2018 and 2022, CO2 emissions from all sources across the San Francisco Bay Area dropped about 1.8% annually, a decrease the researchers attribute to the rise in EVs, according to a study published today in the journal Environmental Science & Technology. Vehicle emission rates specifically dropped 2.6% annually.
It’s good news that emissions across the Bay Area are dropping, but it’s also true that emissions need to decrease more. California has a goal to reach net-zero emissions by 2045. To get there “smoothly,” Cohen says, emissions should be dropping 3.7% per year. The 1.8% annual drop was only related to vehicle emissions—which account for about a third of local emissions. To reach the broader goal, home and industry emissions have to drop, too, which will require new policies.
https://www.fastcompany.com/91077045...just-proved-it

You know what else reduces CO2? People leaving the area and business's closing.

San Francisco's Decline is a Warning to Other American Cities
Struggling with rampant homelessness, a drug crisis, surging crime and several business closures, San Francisco is no longer the thriving city it used to be. Its decline in recent months has led some to say the city "is dying"—especially as its citizens move elsewhere.
A quarter of a million people have reportedly fled the Bay Area since the beginning of 2020. According to U.S. Census estimates, San Francisco's population dropped by 7.2 percent between 2020 and 2021 and by 0.3 percent between 2021 and 2022.
https://www.newsweek.com/san-francis...cities-1801200

[Car-Addicted]

More example of the Green Grift:

EV Charging Station Company Files For Chapter 11 Bankruptcy
04/05/24
Just recently, a company that sets up charging stations for electric vehicles has filed for bankruptcy. The reason? Charge Enterprise owes too much money, and it may be due to incompetence.
https://thatsviralnow.com/ev-chargin...11-bankruptcy/

Charge Enterprises Lawsuit vs. KORR, Former Chairman: Details and Timeline
January 13, 2024
The lawsuit alleges that KORR "improperly shifted" Charge Enterprises funds "to accounts for the benefit of other companies." Charge Enterprises, an electric vehicle (EV) charging infrastructure company, is seeking damages in excess of $15 million, the lawsuit states.
https://sustainabletechpartner.com/v...-and-timeline/

Inside Charge Enterprises: An FBI Sting Operation, Penny Stock Promotion, Money Laundering & A Plethora Of Fruitless Ventures
Charge Enterprises owns a portfolio of electric vehicle charging & telecom infrastructure businesses worth a market cap of roughly $900M.
Our diligence reveals individuals associated with Charge appear to have a checkered history of alleged fraud, money laundering, and failed penny stock promotion.
Our work unveils a transcript in which the CEO of Charge’s predecessor company [GoIP Global] tries to bribe an undercover FBI agent in exchange for investment in GoIP.
Before entering the EV business, GoIP transitioned from an energy tech business to growing cannabis. They told investors in 2019 it was acquiring a Kenyan cannabis license. The Kenyan government denied ever issuing them a license.
We uncovered that Charge’s founder previously plead guilty to money laundering, declared bankruptcy in 2017, and was involved in alleged pump & dumps.
Charge’s latest acquisition, EV Group Holdings LLC, has ties to an individual barred from the SEC due to purported fraudulent investment dealings in 2014 & later the primary recipient of alleged stolen investors funds.
Charge’s first foray into the EV space through the acquisition of GetCharged has been largely written off despite paying $28M for it two years ago.
https://peabodystreet.substack.com/p...rprises-an-fbi

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

We’ve been promised that EVs will lead to cleaner air. This Bay Area study just proved it
04-04-2024
Researchers from the University of California, Berkeley, finally have some answers: Between 2018 and 2022, CO2 emissions from all sources across the San Francisco Bay Area dropped about 1.8% annually, a decrease the researchers attribute to the rise in EVs, according to a study published today in the journal Environmental Science & Technology. Vehicle emission rates specifically dropped 2.6% annually.
It’s good news that emissions across the Bay Area are dropping, but it’s also true that emissions need to decrease more. California has a goal to reach net-zero emissions by 2045. To get there “smoothly,” Cohen says, emissions should be dropping 3.7% per year. The 1.8% annual drop was only related to vehicle emissions—which account for about a third of local emissions. To reach the broader goal, home and industry emissions have to drop, too, which will require new policies.
https://www.fastcompany.com/91077045...just-proved-it

You know what else reduces CO2? People leaving the area and business's closing.

San Francisco's Decline is a Warning to Other American Cities
Struggling with rampant homelessness, a drug crisis, surging crime and several business closures, San Francisco is no longer the thriving city it used to be. Its decline in recent months has led some to say the city "is dying"—especially as its citizens move elsewhere.
A quarter of a million people have reportedly fled the Bay Area since the beginning of 2020. According to U.S. Census estimates, San Francisco's population dropped by 7.2 percent between 2020 and 2021 and by 0.3 percent between 2021 and 2022.
https://www.newsweek.com/san-francis...cities-1801200

I just read an article where the author was saying San Fran adopting -EV’s has made the air cleaner, proof that EV’s will save the planet. CO2 was down there from 2018 to 2022 , yea EV’s

More like Covid happened in 2020, people stopped going into work in cars of any type, many moved away completely , businesses were shuttered, and much of that economic activity never recovered. Maybe that’s where the CO2 went. Perhaps the fix for CO2 pollution is to wreck your city with crime, people sitting on their asses on the government dole, and outsourcing all your productive labor.: bums and homeless illegals don’t produce as much CO2 as actual working stiffs.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

We’ve been promised that EVs will lead to cleaner air. This Bay Area study just proved it
04-04-2024
Researchers from the University of California, Berkeley, finally have some answers: Between 2018 and 2022, CO2 emissions from all sources across the San Francisco Bay Area dropped about 1.8% annually, a decrease the researchers attribute to the rise in EVs, according to a study published today in the journal Environmental Science & Technology. Vehicle emission rates specifically dropped 2.6% annually.
It’s good news that emissions across the Bay Area are dropping, but it’s also true that emissions need to decrease more. California has a goal to reach net-zero emissions by 2045. To get there “smoothly,” Cohen says, emissions should be dropping 3.7% per year. The 1.8% annual drop was only related to vehicle emissions—which account for about a third of local emissions. To reach the broader goal, home and industry emissions have to drop, too, which will require new policies.
https://www.fastcompany.com/91077045...just-proved-it

You know what else reduces CO2? People leaving the area and business's closing.

San Francisco's Decline is a Warning to Other American Cities
Struggling with rampant homelessness, a drug crisis, surging crime and several business closures, San Francisco is no longer the thriving city it used to be. Its decline in recent months has led some to say the city "is dying"—especially as its citizens move elsewhere.
A quarter of a million people have reportedly fled the Bay Area since the beginning of 2020. According to U.S. Census estimates, San Francisco's population dropped by 7.2 percent between 2020 and 2021 and by 0.3 percent between 2021 and 2022.
https://www.newsweek.com/san-francis...cities-1801200

We can bet our bottom dollars now that Bozo will do his darnest to cover up the real reason there has been a clean air spike in the city where flower power flourished.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

Otherwise known as making statistics lie for you. The Greens are expert at it.

Looks like CO2 emissions dropped 48 percent from the 1990s to 2020. At 2020 the data was pre-Covid. A steady drop had been occurring for over thirty years.

https://www.sfenvironment.org/files/...lance_2020.pdf

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

If they get to free I'll gift mine to gblansten

He's already got one, I'll take it off your hands

[Condorll]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

We’ve been promised that EVs will lead to cleaner air. This Bay Area study just proved it
04-04-2024
Researchers from the University of California, Berkeley, finally have some answers: Between 2018 and 2022, CO2 emissions from all sources across the San Francisco Bay Area dropped about 1.8% annually, a decrease the researchers attribute to the rise in EVs, according to a study published today in the journal Environmental Science & Technology. Vehicle emission rates specifically dropped 2.6% annually.
It’s good news that emissions across the Bay Area are dropping, but it’s also true that emissions need to decrease more. California has a goal to reach net-zero emissions by 2045. To get there “smoothly,” Cohen says, emissions should be dropping 3.7% per year. The 1.8% annual drop was only related to vehicle emissions—which account for about a third of local emissions. To reach the broader goal, home and industry emissions have to drop, too, which will require new policies.
https://www.fastcompany.com/91077045...just-proved-it

You know what else reduces CO2? People leaving the area and business's closing.

San Francisco's Decline is a Warning to Other American Cities
Struggling with rampant homelessness, a drug crisis, surging crime and several business closures, San Francisco is no longer the thriving city it used to be. Its decline in recent months has led some to say the city "is dying"—especially as its citizens move elsewhere.
A quarter of a million people have reportedly fled the Bay Area since the beginning of 2020. According to U.S. Census estimates, San Francisco's population dropped by 7.2 percent between 2020 and 2021 and by 0.3 percent between 2021 and 2022.
https://www.newsweek.com/san-francis...cities-1801200

COVID is the cause of declining C02 from 2020 to 2022. No one driving / offices empty.

[Ugly Kar]

Even the guy that wants to sell you a Tesla knows what's really going on.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/...5Es1_&ref_url=