You know you're old when...

[tallslenderguy]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

What about ibuprofen or naproxen? They both reduce inflammation, which Tylenol does not do.

Both are NSAID's and also have the stomach upset factor for many people.

The 81mg aspirin regimen is not for pain, it's because aspirin is an anti-platelet, platelets are part of the bodies process of forming blood clots, so an anti-platelet like low dose aspirin is given to slow down clotting time to help protect against vascular blood clots that can cause stroke, heart attack, pulmonary embolism, etc..

All drugs have 'side effects.' Tylenol can be liver toxic, NSAID's can also be toxic to the kidneys, so it's important to follow dosing information on the bottle and get regular check ups with blood labs to see if one is one of the lucky ones who have other, less universal side effects.

[tturedraider]

Originally Posted by tallslenderguy

Both are NSAID's and also have the stomach upset factor for many people.

The 81mg aspirin regimen is not for pain…

And that’s why I was specifically asking Esteban about how those two medications were for him. I can assure you when I take three aspirin they are not 81mg and I’m not taking them for their anti-platelet properties.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by garyfried

You know your old when your wife of 48 years passes away. Thinking companionship might be nice but where to start. A long time without trying to date someone.

Also sorry for your loss. I wish you the best.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

What about ibuprofen or naproxen? They both reduce inflammation, which Tylenol does not do.

As tallslenderguy said, they cause stomach issues for me. Tylenol is the only one that doesn't.

And I have no problems, liver or anything, taking Tylenol twice a day. Not that it does much, but something is better than nothing.

[tallslenderguy]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

And that’s why I was specifically asking Esteban about how those two medications were for him. I can assure you when I take three aspirin they are not 81mg and I’m not taking them for their anti-platelet properties.

Right... sorry, wasn't intending to be snarky or correct you, just wanting to provide info.

Naproxen, Ibuprofen and Aspirin are all three NSAID's, they are COX-1 inhibitors and they all reduce the protective coating of the stomach which results in upper GI pain and injury in some people.

Esteban's doctor gave him the 81mg for vascular protection, but he's one of the unlucky ones that cannot tolerate NSAID's, he'd likely have the same results with Naproxen and Ibuprofen since they have similar pharmacology and side effects.

[tallslenderguy]

Originally Posted by Esteban

As tallslenderguy said, they cause stomach issues for me. Tylenol is the only one that doesn't.

And I have no problems, liver or anything, taking Tylenol twice a day. Not that it does much, but something is better than nothing.

The max dose for Tylenol is 4000mg a day. Typical dose is 650mg, and if you are taking that 2x a day, you are well within range. The toxicity problems usually occur when people don't follow the dosing instructions. Interestingly, there has been long term debate about making Tylenol (acetaminophen) a prescription drug, there are a lot of people who ignore the instructions and warnings on medications.

i had a patient who was hospitalized from an overdose of Tums. lol, you have to take an awful lot of them to OD, but one of the primary ingredients in Tums is calcium carbonate. Our hearts use calcium ion exchange as part of the mechanism that causes contraction, heart beats. Too much calcium can affect heart rhythm, cause dysrhythmia.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by tallslenderguy

The max dose for Tylenol is 4000mg a day. Typical dose is 650mg, and if you are taking that 2x a day, you are well within range. The toxicity problems usually occur when people don't follow the dosing instructions. Interestingly, there has been long term debate about making Tylenol (acetaminophen) a prescription drug, there are a lot of people who ignore the instructions and warnings on medications.

i had a patient who was hospitalized from an overdose of Tums. lol, you have to take an awful lot of them to OD, but one of the primary ingredients in Tums is calcium carbonate. Our hearts use calcium ion exchange as part of the mechanism that causes contraction, heart beats. Too much calcium can affect heart rhythm, cause dysrhythmia.

I take 2 500mg capsules twice a day, so 2,000 mg a day. I'm very careful to follow the instructions on any medicine I take. Like I said, it doesn't do much for my back pain. It works better for headaches. I take a lot of prescribed medicine and don't want to take a prescription pain medicine.

Had a successful night last night with my exercises and (almost) nightly 3 mile walk so I am happy that things are looking better.

[Lady Jane]

If you were in school or joining the military in the early parts of the 70s before the jet injectors were deemed unsafe as they could actually spread diseases and germs from one individual to another.

[tturedraider]

Originally Posted by Lady Jane

If you were in school or joining the military in the early parts of the 70s before the jet injectors were deemed unsafe as they could actually spread diseases and germs from one individual to another.

This is how I got my inoculations when I joined the Army in 1988. I remember them telling us not to flinch or it would rip open our arms.

[dscabra]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

This is how I got my inoculations when I joined the Army in 1988. I remember them telling us not to flinch or it would rip open our arms.

Yep -- well into the 80's for those injectors for me in the Army as well. I hated those things. In basic training, they had us go through a gauntlet with medics on both sides injecting us at the same time. Then we got to do the Smallpox jabs with nasty pustules for a week afterward even though I'd had that as a child and have the scar to prove it!

[Lady Jane]

Originally Posted by Lady Jane

If you were in school or joining the military in the early parts of the 70s before the jet injectors were deemed unsafe as they could actually spread diseases and germs from one individual to another.

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I should add that after the study, disposable sterile caps were fitted after each inoculation.

[dscabra]

Originally Posted by Lady Jane

I should add that after the study, disposable sterile caps were fitted after each inoculation.

I don't think that word ever got to the US Army. They would swipe the head of the injector with an alcohol pad and hit the next one in line.

[Lady Jane]

Originally Posted by dscabra

I don't think that word ever got to the US Army. They would swipe the head of the injector with an alcohol pad and hit the next one in line.

You can read about a bit of history over the years:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_injector

[dscabra]

This reminds me of another fun fact from the Army. We all got to learn how to self-administer nerve-agent antidote using these fun little things:



You would inject them into your thigh muscle.

[M_Six]

Originally Posted by dscabra

This reminds me of another fun fact from the Army. We all got to learn how to self-administer nerve-agent antidote using these fun little things:

You would inject them into your thigh muscle.

Right through your MOPP suit.

[Llarry]

I KNEW there was a reason I joined the Navy!

[3.0L]

Originally Posted by Lady Jane

If you were in school or joining the military in the early parts of the 70s before the jet injectors were deemed unsafe as they could actually spread diseases and germs from one individual to another.

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The Army nailed us with those jet injectors in August of 1967. That was at Ft. Bliss, TX. Later at Ft. Sill, they nailed us with 4 needles at the same time; 2 in each arm. Immediately thereafter, we were out doing PT.

[Llarry]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Here's more about Shingrix from the CDC ---->>> https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/shi...%20vaccination

Shingrix updates -- I got my first vaccination today. $225 cash on the barrelhead. Then I called my secondary insurer (the military) and according to the person I spoke to, had I gone through my doctor's office, I only would pay a $150 copay. Memo to self: Self, you dummy, call insurance FIRST, then get shot! Today my wife saw our primary care doc, who advised her that the first Shingrix shot that she got three years or so was good enough; no need for the second shot. Hmmm...

[Llarry]

Originally Posted by 3.0L

The Army nailed us with those jet injectors in August of 1967. That was at Ft. Bliss, TX. Later at Ft. Sill, they nailed us with 4 needles at the same time; 2 in each arm.

In 1965 or 1966, on one of my trips from college in Texas to my family in the Philippines, I misplaced my shot record (which I later found in my luggage). No problem, we have a little immunization clinic right here in the Travis Air Force Base passenger terminal. I got 3 shots in each arm (needles I think) and a smallpox vaccination to boot. Fun.

[M_Six]

The anti-hepatitis shots (gamma globulin?) were the worst. Like 600ccs or some such nonsense right in the butt cheek. Lots of GIs standing up to eat in the mess hall after that shot.

[dscabra]

Originally Posted by M_Six

The anti-hepatitis shots (gamma globulin?) were the worst. Like 600ccs or some such nonsense right in the butt cheek. Lots of GIs standing up to eat in the mess hall after that shot.

I don't think I ever got that one, but the Yellow Fever shot put me down for two days. My arm was red and hot to the touch and so sore I couldn't move it without severe pain.

[Boomer 2019]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

This is how I got my inoculations when I joined the Army in 1988. I remember them telling us not to flinch or it would rip open our arms.

I had my first experience with the gun in Navy boot camp in 1966. It was "nuts to butts people, nuts to butts" as some HM nailed us with wild abandon. As I moved on I felt liquid running down my left arm, and when I looked there was a stream of blood dripping from my fingers onto the floor. Some 1cl started yelling at me to get out of line. He then slapped some gauze and tape on my arm, and made me get a bucket and swab (mop) from the corner and clean up my mess. This of course was accompanied by loud derision and criticism. Welcome to the Navy.. boot!

The slice was about a half inch in length and quite deep. Those guns had a lot of power.