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I can order a Model 3 today and have it delivered to the East Coast in two (2) weeks. No one is waiting a year for a build.
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And those incentives will remain, drive up production numbers, which will drive down the cost. It's a self driven cycle that will drive EV numbers through the roof until they're the whole market.
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Early 1990's ... CARB mandated a certain amount of zero emission vehicles be sold in California by each manufacturer. Mid-1990's ... GM introduced the EV-1 in California. Dumped the concept because there was no marketplace for EV's other than California. Mid-2000's ... EV tax credits issued under US energy legislation in trade for carbon fuel industry wants. Carbon Credits invented by Al Gore. EV marketplace dominated by rising Tesla, financially supported by federal tax credits and carbon credits sales to other corporations. Go ask Henry Ford how much help he got from the Federal government to start the US automotive industry. |
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So you agree, the EV market was artificially created by Government and needs to be sustained by Government and politics.
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Curious though. What do you have against EVs?
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Here we go... There are so many industries with subsidies including oil, medicine, health care, coal, agriculture, it's not even a valid argument.
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I'd still much rather have a used Model S over the Model 3 which I can get today if I wanted(or should I say had the money) Regardless, the point is the market is still there and very much alive and not going away anytime soon |
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I'm not a beatnik, but even at $4.xx per gallon we pay but a fraction of what other countries pay for gas, because we've already spent multiples of trillion dollars and thousands of U.S. lives for the privilege to pay less for a gallon of gas than milk (for some parts of the country, at least). At the end of the day, the "incentives" to purchase EVs is a drop in the bucket by comparison.
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From an engineering perspective I find them interesting and advantageous in some respects. But as a political tool, nope. |
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My issue is with government incentive to start the EV market in earnest. Sustainment of those industries you've mention is a different subject matter related to the complexities of international trade, foreign business practices, etc., not to save the planet.
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I get that most conservatives are against the EV for several reasons: Economic ties to traditional energy and oil. Validating the EV as an environmental savior admits that there is a problem which conservatives have been denying for decades. Fear is something conservatives generally use to control the masses and now it's being used for a progressive movement, which is doubly insulting. The idea that we are able to adversely affect our environment is unsettling for a lot of people. The responsibility we have to our environment is too heavy a burden for a lot of people who are used to having the perception of control. Therefor they reject it because it attacks their very identity. Narcissism is the main culprit and it's one of the reasons if, not the biggest, that Trump has the position he has regarding progressive environmental initiatives. To admit that we are at the mercy of the environment is too damaging to the ego.
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We can argue this all day long. But the facts are, the US Government has incentivized the creation of the EV market solely for the political purpose of environmentalism. It is just a statement of fact. |
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I don't know if you fit that description or not and I'm not insinuating you do in any way whatsoever. I am merely pointing out a personality type that inexplicably deny the negative environmental impact we are responsible for.
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Not sure I've seen anyone mention a diesel option. I drive a 328D. My commute is 15hwy miles to and from work in LA. I'm averaging between 38-42mpg per tank. I go against traffic, so most of my commute is in the 65-80mph range.
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