Medicinal Cannabis

[upstatedoc]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

There isn't enough research to know the long-term effects of cannabis, both good and bad.

and I can't explain this. I mean, this stuff has been around forever. I'm sure there would be many willing participants for a study.

[Maynard]

It's not total BS, and it's not the ultimate cure-all. Just like other drug/medicines, it only works for some things, and often only to help, not cure. Look at opiates, where there is great utility, but also tremendous incentive to use recreationally; in the late 1800's they thought the stuff cured e/t because everybody liked taking it. That 'worked great for a month but then stopped' is often the sign of a placebo response, which is why they do clinical trials, instead of just asking hairdressers. The reactionary and politically motivated forces that kept MJ on schedule 1 have cheated you all out of that medical research up until just recently, and it is still so difficult that little is being done here in the states. I certainly hear many reports of it helping people with PTSD (or more specifically, with certain symptoms of their PTSD), sleep disorders, chronic pain, seizures, MS or neuromuscular disorders, and some GI issues.

[6oclockshadow]

Originally Posted by Rmtt

+1. Grapefruit has long been known as a potientiator for most compounds....extends half-life of certain drugs as well.

As for MJ......I've personally have never tried it. Any job I've ever held had random drug testing. When I retire, I may try it and find out its the best thing ever and wonder why I missed out for so long.

My wife used it years ago when she went through ovarian cancer. She doesn't use now, but said it was the only thing that relieved the pain.

I'm not against it for people who need it to function. As for recreational use, as long as they aren't hurting me I'm fine there as well although I would like to see more information on how much impairment it may cause someone....especially when operating a motor vehicle.

...a lot less impairment than from having three cocktails and getting behind the wheel.

[6oclockshadow]

Just my take--

Its been used medicinally for 5000 plus years. Has a much, much longer anecdotal record than any other drug on the market. People don't die while taking it, or taking too much of it, they don't steal from family to get it, it causes far less accidents than alcohol, it treats a myriad of symptoms, and is widely available to all--its a weed!

STOP taking chemicals that pharma companies make, and then convinces you that you need, but doesn't cure anything-just masks a symptom. Most FDA approved drugs are not 'cures' but maintainance drugs that you must take for the rest of your life...creating a constant cash flow for big pharma. Saw a commercial a while back there's a new drug on the market to help people who....cry spontaneously...

[lnsaneM]

I'm all for it, good stuff.

My favorite is Pineapple Express, I can't do any indica

[TopJimmy]

I was born in 1970...
Live and let live.
Let it grow!
Nuff said...?

[shoei]

Present day? Sativa indica hybrid is mostly placebos. In the rush to come up with the quickest growing, less finicky more potent flower, a metric fuck ton of cross breeding has come about.

Vape oils? When the plant goes through extraction process, what made it indica or sativa is evaporated. You're left with terpenes they add to the vape oil. Vapes are 100% placebo. Flowers and pre-rolls are quickly getting to that level too. They market lower thc flower as "sativa" for example. Plus, sativa is a pain to grow. Takes longer than indica. Tack on another month of time.

[King Rudi]

Originally Posted by shoei

Present day? Sativa indica hybrid is mostly placebos. In the rush to come up with the quickest growing, less finicky more potent flower, a metric fuck ton of cross breeding has come about.

Vape oils? When the plant goes through extraction process, what made it indica or sativa is evaporated. You're left with terpenes they add to the vape oil. Vapes are 100% placebo. Flowers and pre-rolls are quickly getting to that level too. They market lower thc flower as "sativa" for example. Plus, sativa is a pain to grow. Takes longer than indica. Tack on another month of time.

Lots of truth here, however; from what I gathered in my...."research" Sativa is no harder to grow than Indica unless it's being done outdoors...I have no experience in this - therefore I will not touch on it. From my understanding, I could be wrong, that unless you are buying an actual strain of either Sativa or Indica; any plant can be grown to be either strain. This is all based off the plants trichome's. Basically, if the trichomes are white/milky you have sativa, wait maybe 3 weeks longer and you'll have yourself an indica. The longer you go and the longer you let the trichomes darken, the more potent the high. My preference was to wait until the trichomes are really amberish on the top and still milky white toward the bottom. Perfect hybrid. The issue with waiting is that it's like sitting on pins and needles until harvest. So many things can go wrong in those last few weeks. It's a bit of a gamble to wait on those trichomes to get so dark.

My research consisted of ChemDawg strain (a hybrid of OG Kush and Sour Diesel), deep water culture grow inside a tent, 1100 watts of LED light, multiple fans, 2 charcoal filters and typical light cycle during veg and flower stages. 1.5 pounds, 1 plant. The pain in the ass with these plants is.....well, pretty much everything. It's just like having another baby/child. In the beginning it's all cute and you're so excited to see it grow. When it gets older, closing in on the transition from veg to bloom, suddenly they are like teenagers; they refuse to eat when they should (I forced fed mine and drove the pH back down - ornery fucker) then after they decide they want food and caused the pH to drop after. Pretty much everything was a pain in the ass once it switched to "bloom." I ended up with a light leach in my last week of bloom so I notched the bottom of the plant, waited 24 hours for it "Hulk" then cut that bitch. Fun little science experiment. Yielded all sorts of goodies aside from the flower itself.

[Bunnny]

Originally Posted by 6oclockshadow

Just my take--

Its been used medicinally for 5000 plus years. Has a much, much longer anecdotal record than any other drug on the market. People don't die while taking it, or taking too much of it, they don't steal from family to get it, it causes far less accidents than alcohol, it treats a myriad of symptoms, and is widely available to all--its a weed!

STOP taking chemicals that pharma companies make, and then convinces you that you need, but doesn't cure anything-just masks a symptom. Most FDA approved drugs are not 'cures' but maintainance drugs that you must take for the rest of your life...creating a constant cash flow for big pharma. Saw a commercial a while back there's a new drug on the market to help people who....cry spontaneously...

As someone who has also been through the "medical loop" and seen this first hand, I second this.
The frustrating part is when you have a chronic debilitating condition, and they've had the text books in their schools written by big pharma, so now no doctor really seems to know how to heal or find anything. They're just drug salesmen who literally experiment on you by prescribing drugs and say "see if this helps".
And when you get in to a 'specialist', they too rely on pills or potentially life-altering surgery to solve the issue. They work against the immune system and the body, and take your money while doing it. And turn a blind eye to herbs that have helped people for centuries.

Cannabis has helped me, my family, and just about everyone I know, for years and years. There's no anti-nausea drug on this planet strong enough that can compete with good ol Mary Jane.

[shoei]

Originally Posted by King Rudi

Lots of truth here, however; from what I gathered in my...."research" Sativa is no harder to grow than Indica unless it's being done outdoors...I have no experience in this - therefore I will not touch on it. From my understanding, I could be wrong, that unless you are buying an actual strain of either Sativa or Indica; any plant can be grown to be either strain. This is all based off the plants trichome's. Basically, if the trichomes are white/milky you have sativa, wait maybe 3 weeks longer and you'll have yourself an indica. The longer you go and the longer you let the trichomes darken, the more potent the high. My preference was to wait until the trichomes are really amberish on the top and still milky white toward the bottom. Perfect hybrid. The issue with waiting is that it's like sitting on pins and needles until harvest. So many things can go wrong in those last few weeks. It's a bit of a gamble to wait on those trichomes to get so dark.

My research consisted of ChemDawg strain (a hybrid of OG Kush and Sour Diesel), deep water culture grow inside a tent, 1100 watts of LED light, multiple fans, 2 charcoal filters and typical light cycle during veg and flower stages. 1.5 pounds, 1 plant. The pain in the ass with these plants is.....well, pretty much everything. It's just like having another baby/child. In the beginning it's all cute and you're so excited to see it grow. When it gets older, closing in on the transition from veg to bloom, suddenly they are like teenagers; they refuse to eat when they should (I forced fed mine and drove the pH back down - ornery fucker) then after they decide they want food and caused the pH to drop after. Pretty much everything was a pain in the ass once it switched to "bloom." I ended up with a light leach in my last week of bloom so I notched the bottom of the plant, waited 24 hours for it "Hulk" then cut that bitch. Fun little science experiment. Yielded all sorts of goodies aside from the flower itself.

It's a lot more complicated than just the trichomes. Sativa plants tend to be taller as well. You also get smaller yields with sativa. Sativa buds are smaller.

So from a business standpoint, you have strains that take longer, more finicky, not as visually sexy with smaller nugs and they take up more space. Which do you think you'd grow more of if you were running a business?

This is why there's always more indica readily available than sativa. It's not just one thing, it's a variable on many. Not knocking sativa, just explaining.

[King Rudi]

Originally Posted by shoei

It's a lot more complicated than just the trichomes. Sativa plants tend to be taller as well. You also get smaller yields with sativa. Sativa buds are smaller.

So from a business standpoint, you have strains that take longer, more finicky, not as visually sexy with smaller nugs and they take up more space. Which do you think you'd grow more of if you were running a business?

This is why there's always more indica readily available than sativa. It's not just one thing, it's a variable on many. Not knocking sativa, just explaining.

I can't disagree with you on any of it.

[540iSUP]

Originally Posted by RickFLM4

I thought it was pretty clearly stated as an opinion. My opinion is medicinal benefit claims are overstated because there is a lack of clear, indisputable evidence for most medicinal claims, combined with a large incentive to overstate benefits to support legalization. There are plenty of reasons to remain skeptical of these claims. There are actually people out there who doubt the benefits of vaccines, proven over decades of tests and actual results, yet blindly believe all the claims about weed, which is ass backwards to me.

Like I said, however, I support legalization. If people think it helps them or they want to use it recreationally, fine by me if they do so responsibly. If it is actually proven over long periods of rigorous testing to have the medicinal benefits that are claimed, even better.

This is why we need to get it down to a sched 3 drug. We need to be able to test it properly. How can we do that if it's still considered sched 1? This is the conundrum.

[TopJimmy]

We need it not to be a drug at all…

It can be a regulated and taxed agriculture product just like tobacco or alcohol when sold. I believe we all should be allowed to freely grow and process for our own personal appropriate use. Same idea as making your own basement wine in Italy for family… Use common sense.

[Tambohamilton]

My only exposure to medicinal cannabis was chatting to a guy who had been prescribed it for chronic back pain. I asked if it helped; "nah, but I like it"

[AmuroRay]

I'll say this - what they are selling you isn't what Cannibis is. I'm very weary of the stuff because it's a lot more powerful than what is natural, and has been engineered for a more psychedelic effect and to be habit forming. I don't think I trust it.

[TopJimmy]

Over the last 10-20 years Cannabis has been heavily bred from the old single variety or LandRace strains into hybrid strains. Hybrids can be bred from Sat+Sat, Sat+Ind, Ind+Sat and Ind+Ind, and is usually to increase certain traits (size, shape, flavors and medicinal effects). The intention is usually NOT to increase trippy psychedelic effects (undesirable to many as it increases anxiety).

As a Caregiver I usually recommend lighter Hybrids (70%S, 30%I) for new users and Indica for stronger/sleepier effects. It all depends on the person's personal need and how it affects them.

As for the comment above that Oils and Extraction removing natural terpenes, this is only true if the operator intends to do this. Usually a producer makes diamonds and oil so that the terpene removed from the diamond sauce is added to the oil batch, to enhance flavor.

Some less reputable producers sell off their natural terpenes to other vendors and then add lab produced terpenes. This is evident in the oils that taste like Lemon Mr Clean (limoneme) or Berry (myrcene), anything that tastes unreal. In my opinion this unnatural enhancement should be illegal.

[Fast.F10]

Being in Florida, I was very happy once I was able to get my medical card. Have had migraines since middle school (late 80's) and for the past 2yrs I have seen a HUGE drop in getting cluster migraines. So for me, going from upto 3-4 a week to maybe 1 every few MONTHS...very pleased.

Started to dose at the time of feeling my fingers go numb (first sign for me of a migraine), which was slightly effective. Now I have switched up dose a bit, I take 1 "hit" every 3rd day at night time. Also helps me fall asleep a bit as well and feel more rested in the AM.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by shoei

Present day? Sativa indica hybrid is mostly placebos. In the rush to come up with the quickest growing, less finicky more potent flower, a metric fuck ton of cross breeding has come about.

Vape oils? When the plant goes through extraction process, what made it indica or sativa is evaporated. You're left with terpenes they add to the vape oil. Vapes are 100% placebo. Flowers and pre-rolls are quickly getting to that level too. They market lower thc flower as "sativa" for example. Plus, sativa is a pain to grow. Takes longer than indica. Tack on another month of time.

What works?

[shoei]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

What works?

Depends what you're looking for. Also depends on your state most likely lol.

There's some good tinctures (a ton of terrible ones as well) that you can utilize if it's for increasing appetite or for sleep aid for example.

If you're just looking to get high, almost anything will get you there lol.

Edibles also for medicinal purposes tend to go down easier. When you digest cannabis it effects your body differently as opposed to smoking it. Lungs vs liver.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by shoei

Depends what you're looking for. Also depends on your state most likely lol.

There's some good tinctures (a ton of terrible ones as well) that you can utilize if it's for increasing appetite or for sleep aid for example.

If you're just looking to get high, almost anything will get you there lol.

Edibles also for medicinal purposes tend to go down easier. When you digest cannabis it effects your body differently as opposed to smoking it. Lungs vs liver.

Do you have anything that actually has medical properties, not just euphoric.

[shoei]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Do you have anything that actually has medical properties, not just euphoric.

Without the "euphoric" you will want something with cbd mixed with the thc. Cbd counteracts the "euphoric" feels associated with thc.

HOWEVER, again, depending on what you need / want it for, some of the "healing" proponents are located within the thc portion.

I'll pop a 1:1 gummy (1:1 ratio of cbd and thc) but I'll need closer to 100mg to get "high". They have 2:1, 5:1, even a 20:1 ration of cbd to thc.

What state are you in?

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by shoei

Without the "euphoric" you will want something with cbd mixed with the thc. Cbd counteracts the "euphoric" feels associated with thc.

HOWEVER, again, depending on what you need / want it for, some of the "healing" proponents are located within the thc portion.

I'll pop a 1:1 gummy (1:1 ratio of cbd and thc) but I'll need closer to 100mg to get "high". They have 2:1, 5:1, even a 20:1 ration of cbd to thc.

What state are you in?

Florida