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Some of you guys must have your head stuck in the sand; are you even following the larger auto industry as a whole?
The electrification of every product line at pretty much every automaker is now a done deal wether we like it or not. We can complain/bitch/moan about it all day but this isn't some speculation or rumors anymore. The entire German and U.S. auto industry is re-training, re-tooling, re-building their plants, workers and product lines. Charging stations are popping up by the 100s every month. Battery technology is improving, using less rare-earth materials and improving densities. Recycling business is also coming along, look up Redwood Materials. Major investments happening in that aspect and something I hope to invest in going forward. Furthermore, over 80% of EV charging happens at home overnight. The idea that there will be stranded EVs on the side of the road everywhere and long lines at charging stations is hilarious at best and at worst just plain fear mongering. Look, I'm as much of a gear/motorsport head as any of you but I'm also a realist. I'm 41 and hope to live another 40 years at least. This means I need to be willing to give this change a shot because guess what, at the end of the day it's gonna happen and there's nothing we can do. Don't be that guy who still buys an ICE family car in 2 years and then complains by 2028 why no one wants to buy it. Be smart about this change. Use it to your advantage... keep a fun weekend/track car and shift the rest to EV. |
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Despite many disapproving of Flasch, I'm glad we're getting an M4CSL, M3 touring and potentially a 3.0CSL. Even the XM sounds interesting to some extent. Exciting times
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11-04-2021, 12:22 PM | #49 | |
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VW has id3, id4, id5 and will be selling Skoda and Audi variants of this. Porsche is coming with Macan EV next year which will be a hit, and Cayenne follows right after, and then Cayman electric. 911 wont yet. Not to mention the brilliantly driving Taycan and Etron GT Audi version also already available with 400km + range option (thats fine for most). Plus there is the Etron previous EV cars Audi had, based on Q8. The A6 electric is coming. What are you on about VW group has no EV cars coming??? And Mercedes now has an electric S class, an couple of SUVs and more on the way. Hyundai is hitting out of the park with Ioniq5, a range rover sized hatchback.. And way more to come from them too. Its not my "opinion" what I wrote above. Its not a dig at BMW, its the truth. Get your facts straight. I have couple of ICE cars, Im happy with them, and I wish BMW had more to offer than the massively heavy hybrid 3 and 5 and X cars, rwd SUV iX3, and few others. They havent commited yet fully to making an EV product, it is still a bit of a trial error thing. Anyway, I dont need to convince anyone, you can load up configurator of Daimler group, VW group brands and then BMW and youll know if you shop for EV, you have limited choice with BMW. |
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Everyone acting like BMW is just sitting still and has nothing coming down the pipeline. There's still a balance to maintain. Hypothetically, if 90% of their profit is in ICE, they're not going to suddenly drop it and shift to EV because that's the direction. And when the time finally comes, people are not going o stop buying a BMW because they were the last to market. |
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I frequent a lot of boards, and none have so many constituents that love to espouse their progressiveness as this one.
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The F82 GTS water spraying is only required if you want to unlock the top level of power for a length of time, like on a track day. Keeps the engine bay cooled. It will still run without water, you dont need it for grabbing groceries around town. |
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There was a hint in his answer re the standalone M-model that wasn't included in the OP…
His full reply was: Our brand core is still racing and high performance on the road. However, we also want to retain customers who are into expressive luxury. With the M8 and its derivatives, we have already partially succeeded. But there is a segment in which there is a lot going on and in which we are not yet represented. I can not say more about that. So. Which market with a lot going on isn't BMW represented in yet… Should be enough clues there to figure it out guys 😉 |
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For 95% of car owners, modern BEVs are objectively a better choice. People see something that's easier to live with, they go and buy it. Most of them wouldn't give two shits about climate change and have never heard about CATL. |
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Green they are NOT. They do shift pollution away from cities I suppose. Thats all I mean by green. They are of course not green when you produce batteries in China using coal powerplants (like Polestar for example). And they are not green when you gonna recycle the battery in 10-20 years. But as consumer product they are pretty good in some way.
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...and broken down by my detail for the F80 run at https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1551939... ...but those sales numbers are total for the entire series run over ~6 years.
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