Nürburgring aka 'Green Hell' (visiting) advice and footage

[M5Rick]

Who wouldn't want to take their M car on the Nordschleife, the longest and most challenging race track on earth.

[M5Rick]

Wouldn't mind having a go myself if I was in that neck of the woods.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Wouldn't mind having a go myself if I was in that neck of the woods.

Running at The Green Hell , is always a high risk .
The Green Hell is always extremely tricky , also because of some other drivers who run as if in a suicide mission !

The Green Hell can knock you and your car out at any moment..'

Even 'inexperienced drivers become 'overconfident after a few laps !
And that's what hits you my friend (as you can see)!
This thread is from Dackelone the European moderator : May the German Dackelone RIP !!!

Seems like BMW drivers are the worst !

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Running at The Green Hell , is always a high risk .
The Green Hell is always extremely tricky , also because of some other drivers who run as if in a suicide mission !

The Green Hell can knock you and your car out at any moment..'

Even 'inexperienced drivers become 'overconfident after a few laps !
And that's what hits you my friend (as you can see)!
This thread is from Dackelone the European moderator : May the German Dackelone RIP !!!

Seems like BMW drivers are the worst !

It must be remembered there are many inexperienced drivers that have the pedal to the metal still on WOT without taking into account that cars have stopped with smoke present.
There is a vid earlier with these f* maniacs braking too late and skidding into other cars that have stopped ! The guy who got out of his car to flag down others waving his arms
was ignored and someone side swiped his parked car... just should have continued to get past the scene to save his car
The Green Hell where many drivers and bikers have perished, it's probably safer to just watch from the side.

[M5Rick]

[QUOTE=///M Power-Belgium;30703940]Running at The Green Hell , is always a high risk .
The Green Hell is always extremely tricky , also because of some other drivers who run as if in a suicide mission !

The Green Hell can knock you and your car out at any moment..'

Even 'inexperienced drivers become 'overconfident after a few laps !
And that's what hits you my friend (as you can see)!
This thread is from Dackelone the European moderator : May the German Dackelone RIP !!!

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+1
I didn't know he had passed and RIP to Dackelone.

[M5Rick]

^^ Same mistake over and over from the newbies...they switch their traction off and go into sport + mode with everything, that is a recipe for an instant off, look at 3:56

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

^^ Same mistake over and over from the newbies...they switch their traction off and go into sport + mode with everything, that is a recipe for an instant off, look at 3:56

Yeah . But the BMW's are still the (crash)! Champions !

FKN Idiots !

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Yeah . But the BMW's are still the (crash)! Champions !

FKN Idiots !

Them and the Golf GTI's with the short wheel base step out at the slightest provocation ready to dance. They'd go faster and safer with all the safety systems switched back on, the 911's look decidedly twitchy too as the drivers try to 'slow in and fast out' but simply give TOO MUCH WOT on exit

[M5Rick]

Some more Nordschleife madness ,look at 7:10 and keep looking.

[M5Rick]

Lauda tried to get the '76 GP at the Nordschleif boycotted because of a lack of safety equipment and safety crews, such as too few fire trucks and trackside first aid.
Ironically he was outvoted by the others and suffered that near death fiery crash after suspension failure caused by a modified part, with drivers and other helpers struggling to put the fire out it was Artur Merzario who was at the scene that undid the fiddly six point seat belts anchor and somehow dragged Lauda out saving his life.

[M5Rick]

Fast in and slow out does not work.

"police car' on scene @9.28

[Andrew2]

Who wouldn't want to take their M car on the Nordschleife, the longest and most challenging race track on earth.

Have never been enthused to drive there, most certainly on a TF day

Maybe a trackday in a race car ...

We have our own `ring` on the doorstep, complete with farmers and loggers

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Andrew2

Have never been enthused to drive there, most certainly on a TF day

Maybe a trackday in a race car ...

We have our own `ring` on the doorstep, complete with farmers and loggers

Then you'll need M+S tyres for that

[///MPhatic]

I dream of the day when I can do The Ring.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

I dream of the day when I can do The Ring.

I thought about it to but if I did it would be in any M car except mine.
If you do crash and cause damage to armco and/or other cars and the car you are in getting a breakdown truck stopping the session it'll come at a cost to you.

[M5Rick]

I'm not sure if there is a damage waiver when you use one of the Nordschleif's own vehicles, somehow I'm guessing not.
There seems to be quite a choice if you decide to go for a track rental car as with some shown in the vid, what I was saying about crashes there's one at the end which will cost the driver and its a 3 series.. Ough!

[G30M]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I'm not sure if there is a damage waiver when you use one of the Nordschleif's own vehicles, somehow I'm guessing not.

you are liable for every damage to the car inc to the track barriers & other cars

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by g21

you are liable for every damage to the car inc to the track barriers & other cars

It's as I suspected and of course no renter in their right mind would entertain a damage waiver with these type of high risk sessions. I know calling out the flat loader recovery truck with the track stoppage will cost the errant driver an arm and a leg as a starter never mind the other damage costs to come.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I thought about it to but if I did it would be in any M car except mine..

that's exactly what this guy said "it's not my car"

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by g21

that's exactly what this guy said "it's not my car"

Nice M F90 but 13 reg and green no way I would drive that particular one

[Dan B]

Originally Posted by g21

you are liable for every damage to the car inc to the track barriers & other cars

Very common and not always disclosed by the organizers.

Always read the fine print on the track day event you are thinking about signing up for.

[helmet91]

Originally Posted by Dan B

Very common and not always disclosed by the organizers.

Always read the fine print on the track day event you are thinking about signing up for.

Touristenfahrten isn't a track day... it's a public toll road. There's no signing up for anything. Throw some cash on your lap card and off you go!


For newbies, I highly recommend NOT GOING anywhere near the 'Ring on a weekend during the summer. Your best bet is early in the season during the week or late in the season during the week and/or early on the weekend.

Tourist Drive sessions have gotten insane over the last decade... hell, from what I hear, actual organized track days (cost upwards of 1000 EUR or more) are almost just as bad as far as the clientele goes.

YouTube and videogames have really done a number on that place...



As for the German GP, as well as the European GP - they ran them a handful of times on the GP course. The only reason they don't have it now is that the current ownership doesn't want to pay the exorbitant fees. I guess the same goes for Hockenheim. Honestly, F1 can pound sand. The VLN/NLS/N24 are so much better in the fact that tickets are affordable and you pretty much have full access to everything. I'll take SP3 cars all day long... not to mention all the random classes/series and one-off cars (Opel Manta!).