What do you think about schools opening up?

[eluded]

What a mess. Adult struggle to use zoom and now the kindergartens and 1st graders are going to use zoom? Oh this will be good.

[XutvJet]

I have an 11 y/o and 15 y/o and they go to exceptional public schools in the Kansas City metro. I want the kids back in school and they want to be back in school. They kicked butt doing not-really-required online school from late March to late May. However, only 25% of the students participated.

Our district has given the option of hybrid and online. Hybrid won't work because of the goals and requirements set. If we do it, it will be closed down in two weeks. Online will be an utter shitshow because the district doesn't have the server load capacity to make it work. They're fooling themselves.

I want to see full school for those that want to go. For those students and teachers that don't, then they participate in online. You don't close down for a case here and there. It's a total joke and meaningless. You shutdown if you have a major outbreak. You quarantine if you get the virus, you have symptoms, or you have someone in the family that gets sick. You wear a mask in school. You try and stay 3 feet a a part. Eating in the cafeteria means and open seat between everyone. Wash your hands.

[Kolyan2k]

So all private schools are open and full, no space left. People paying $20k+ to send kids to school. Meanwhile 1 covid case in our town ended up fully closing middle and high school together

Few pretty respected doctors saying its a crime what government and education institutions are doing to kids

[Lups]

Originally Posted by Banana Hammock

I feel like the parents who are pushing the hardest for schools to reopen are the ones finally realizing how shitty their kids are and are probably sick of having their kids around 24/7.

I homeschooled mine all spring and it looks like I'll be doing that shortly again. I concur.

I do love having my kids around, but it's the teaching of subjects I've completely forgotten about that makes this hell. We are atheists, but the kids study religion since it makes understanding history easier. Then I'm stuck reading the whole fucking bible (again) since obviously I missed something if the text book says something else I read. Fun.

Also, all engineers should be shot at dawn. Hubby is the worst math teacher ever so I, who can in a good day count to 5 am also doing 8th grade math lessons. And german, and physics and chemistry and swedish and soo fucking many other things. And fuck my life, finnish grammar. The worst.

The grandparents are unwilling to adopt the kids. I've asked daily.

[Kolyan2k]

Its not just about education, kids MUST be socializing for health reasons. We've been trying to go out every single day since March, playgrounds, stores, malls, restaurants. I would go anywhere where masks are not required

[Lups]

Originally Posted by Kolyan2k

Its not just about education, kids MUST be socializing for health reasons. We've been trying to go out every single day since March, playgrounds, stores, malls, restaurants. I would go anywhere where masks are not required

So you're basically against masks, or humans in general? As much as I hate homeschooling, I kinda like not paying for the hospital bills in my taxes. I also adore this new thing us parents have of spending time taking the neighborhood kids to walks and runs, a weekly street hockey tournament happens too.

I have no issue with mask mandates here and the kids spend more time outdoors now with their friends after us parents agreed on no indoor playtime. I am healthy, all my kids are healthy but my aunt has cancer, my mother is ailing fast, my mother-in-law and fil have diabetes, my kids have friends with families with far bigger health issues and all I'm asked to do is to wash my hands and to wear a mask to keep them safe.

So would you care if your kid has asthma, or a heart condition? Would you then wear a mask? Well, the guy who agrees with you on masks could be the freak with a kid with a heart condition that has gone unnoticed.

Dude, this isn't about you or me. This is about helping someone you've never even met. Even if you'll be okay, this is a cheap way to show your kids compassion is what makes us human.

[tcphoto]

I do not have any children so you can take my thoughts with a grain of salt. According to my local news last night, there has been a jump in infections with school aged children and 30-45 year olds. If I did have children, I would not want them in school until we have a better understanding of the virus. Yes, these are particularly difficult times but I wouldn't want to be experiencing a potential long term health issue for myself or a child or even worse.

Schools should reopen but they should have proper precautionary measures in place. Before it starts I will need different trolling motor batteries and find out which one best suits my needs and budget. https://bestmarinebatteries.com/best...motor-battery/

[Kolyan2k]

Originally Posted by Lups

So you're basically against masks, or humans in general? As much as I hate homeschooling, I kinda like not paying for the hospital bills in my taxes. I also adore this new thing us parents have of spending time taking the neighborhood kids to walks and runs, a weekly street hockey tournament happens too.

I have no issue with mask mandates here and the kids spend more time outdoors now with their friends after us parents agreed on no indoor playtime. I am healthy, all my kids are healthy but my aunt has cancer, my mother is ailing fast, my mother-in-law and fil have diabetes, my kids have friends with families with far bigger health issues and all I'm asked to do is to wash my hands and to wear a mask to keep them safe.

So would you care if your kid has asthma, or a heart condition? Would you then wear a mask? Well, the guy who agrees with you on masks could be the freak with a kid with a heart condition that has gone unnoticed.

Dude, this isn't about you or me. This is about helping someone you've never even met. Even if you'll be okay, this is a cheap way to show your kids compassion is what makes us human.

Its a fact that virus must spread in order to get weaker and its been said from very beginning that over 60-70% of population need to get infected (its ok to get covid, its not a big deal) Doctors say that high risk people MUST be cautious and use protection (N95 masks maybe), rest of the people have to live normal lifes and do whatever they want, masks should be optional.
Pretty much everything you read or hear in news is bunch of bullshit ment to scare people. For most people this virus is less severe then a seasonal flu.

Cdc also changed its mask regulations. At first they advised people not to wear them because wearing mask improperly (like most do) can cause more harm then good. And even now they don't recommend N95 masks, but those can actually protect high risk people....so its all nonsense.

If my kid was high risk, he would not go to public packed places, perhaps wear N95 mask, and maybe stay home schooled if that would benefit him. I would not rely on others to protect him and just go to malls everyday....thats just stupid.

Actually scratch that...according to statistics in my state, the chance of dieing from covid ages 0 to 20 is zero. So if my kid was high risk, he would still do everything and go everywhere.

[smyles]

From my observations, kids of any age have absolutely no problems with masks, and often wear them even where it doesn't really make any sense (outdoors, alone, etc.), probably as a fashion statement or whatever.

So ignoring the "whether the masks are effective" debate, if they - school admins, teachers, local leaders,- wanted to open schools, they would already have done it. The current situation is strictly political... and can't be further discussed here.

[RMachuca3d]

Anyone ask the teachers what they think? lol...

3 kids here, two in school, one has a teacher thats a trumper and science denier (we're keeping her on online schooling, not inperson), the other has a more logical and reasoned mentality, the trumper wants school open and the other teacher wants a hybrid at most, which we are ok with as they are doing their best to keep social distancing\mask use consistent with the students (half size classes).

[smyles]

I'm yet to see one teachers protest for school opening; so it's pretty clear what they (with few exceptions, probably) actually think.

[nyalpine90]

im in the red zone, schools have been shutdown for 2 weeks, goin on 3rd week with no updates as to when schools will be open. My son started preK, would wear a mask near school grounds and in class. He is well aware of the virus, why we all must wear it.
this virus does kill anyone, with or without health conditions.

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by RMachuca3d

Anyone ask the teachers what they think? lol...

3 kids here, two in school, one has a teacher thats a trumper and science denier (we're keeping her on online schooling, not inperson), the other has a more logical and reasoned mentality, the trumper wants school open and the other teacher wants a hybrid at most, which we are ok with as they are doing their best to keep social distancing\mask use consistent with the students (half size classes).

It’s so strange when you find those science deniers. Recovery rates in the high high 90’s and yet the world needs to stop. Baffles the science minded logical folks like myself.

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by RMachuca3d

Anyone ask the teachers what they think? lol...

3 kids here, two in school, one has a teacher thats a trumper and science denier (we're keeping her on online schooling, not inperson), the other has a more logical and reasoned mentality, the trumper wants school open and the other teacher wants a hybrid at most, which we are ok with as they are doing their best to keep social distancing\mask use consistent with the students (half size classes).

Get your political bullshit out of here. You can agree there is a virus and still look at the numbers to see that it is not really as big of a deal as CNN is telling you it should be. The survival rate is over 99% right, oh shit the sky must be falling!

Originally Posted by fiveohwblow

It’s so strange when you find those science deniers. Recovery rates in the high high 90’s and yet the world needs to stop. Baffles the science minded logical folks like myself.

Yeah I don't get it

[kscarrol]

Teachers are at risk but the folks delivering Amazon packages, Doordash or working at your local grocery or Walmart aren't at risK? But that's OK, essential right?

Edit: And I say this as an educator. I understand the risks, wear a mask and social distance etc. Do all the things that greatly reduce the risk. I don't live in fear of the virus, hell I could die in a car accident driving home from campus this afternoon. I don't want to die but everything we do has associated risks.

[CTinline-six]

Originally Posted by smyles

I'm yet to see one teachers protest for school opening; so it's pretty clear what they (with few exceptions, probably) actually think.

I work on the technology side of things with school districts. I know A LOT of lazy ass teachers who should be fired, should have retired 40 years ago, should've never been a teacher, etc.

With that said, I would not want to be in their shoes right now. Mainly because of all the shitty parents out there, who feel it is the teacher's job to monitor what their kid does 24/7. Fuck that. One teacher showed me the list of e-mails she had from parents that were "checking up" on how their kids were socially distancing. This is at the high school level. Not to mention the list of parents a mile long looking to nit-pick any little thing they can find to sue the school district and benefit from.

Helicopter parents, frivolous lawsuits, and shitty board of eds are why schools are currently operating the way they are.

[smyles]

Helicopter parents isn't a new thing in 2020. Peanut allergies, a less than A grade, "Billy says mean things" and mirrad other 'issues' existed before covid, and will exist in foreseeable future.

But yes, whining and bitching while collecting paychecks is sure much easier, esp. when backed by administration and state.

[TheWatchGuy]

schools here are a mixture of fully open, hybrid and fully virtual. Living in a more rural area, the smaller districts have gone more fully open and as far as I know, no issues this year. My niece is in school full time, her mom a teacher in a hybrid district, and the precautions they are taking (temps every morning, social distancing, more outdoor classes, masks, etc) seem to be working pretty well.

My SIL in the hybrid model (a fraction of students are in school, rest are online) is having a rough time, because she was assigned to the virtual learning team. It is mainly comprised of older, at risk teachers, with a few younger, tech savvy teachers doing what they can to help the older ones figure it out. My niece was in this district until they moved her about a month ago because it ends up being ~1-2 hrs of actual class room learning while learning remotely. The majority of the day is on your own doing busy work, or the teacher trying to figure out technical issues.

My other SIL and nieces live in a higher risk area, and were slated for fully virtual. My SIL took them both out of the district, quit her job, and is going the homeschool and pod learning route. Her kids are struggling with not being able to see their friends, but at least they are getting a decent education.

The biggest issue is in the differences between parents beliefs and income levels. The ones that are taking this thing at least a little bit seriously and can afford clean clothes/masks/sanitary products/etc are not going to be the ones you need to worry about. Its the ones that think its a joke and dont follow the guidelines and recommendations, or cant afford to, that end up being the liabilities. Its sad to say, but this virus has created a massive gap between income levels in families. Hopefully vaccines will be here soon like they estimate, and schools can figure out a safe way to open, because right now, the kids are suffering the most.

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by CTinline-six

I work on the technology side of things with school districts. I know A LOT of lazy ass teachers who should be fired, should have retired 40 years ago, should've never been a teacher, etc.

With that said, I would not want to be in their shoes right now. Mainly because of all the shitty parents out there, who feel it is the teacher's job to monitor what their kid does 24/7. Fuck that. One teacher showed me the list of e-mails she had from parents that were "checking up" on how their kids were socially distancing. This is at the high school level. Not to mention the list of parents a mile long looking to nit-pick any little thing they can find to sue the school district and benefit from.

Helicopter parents, frivolous lawsuits, and shitty board of eds are why schools are currently operating the way they are.

PREACH!! If anyone were to see my previous posts in this thread they would have seen a similar perspective given my wife is a 7/8 ELA teacher. Watching what she is enduring is likely to cause me to have an aneurism, and then I see common contention towards teachers and laugh, quite maniacally. 99% of folks who aren’t teachers couldn’t hack the current climate, myself included. I don’t have the patience or kindness required.

Hats off to all this involved or around education at this time. At all levels.

[CTinline-six]

Originally Posted by smyles

Helicopter parents isn't a new thing in 2020. Peanut allergies, a less than A grade, "Billy says mean things" and mirrad other 'issues' existed before covid, and will exist in foreseeable future.

But yes, whining and bitching while collecting paychecks is sure much easier, esp. when backed by administration and state.

Peanut allergies and asking why a kid has less than an A is not helicopter parenting. Parents SHOULD be concerned about those things. You missed my point completely.

I'm talking about parents asking teachers for a status on where their kid has been all day and who they have interacted with to make sure they are distancing. That is ridiculous. Don't trust your kid? Sounds like you were a shitty parent.

Yes there are plenty of people whining and bitching while collecting paychecks, but there are also lots of situations that are made 100x worse by poor funding and leadership, most of it voted on by the very people complaining.

[CTinline-six]

Originally Posted by fiveohwblow

PREACH!! If anyone were to see my previous posts in this thread they would have seen a similar perspective given my wife is a 7/8 ELA teacher. Watching what she is enduring is likely to cause me to have an aneurism, and then I see common contention towards teachers and laugh, quite maniacally. 99% of folks who aren’t teachers couldn’t hack the current climate, myself included. I don’t have the patience or kindness required.

Hats off to all this involved or around education at this time. At all levels.

Yep, and many of the teachers get paid peanuts.