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I've done PCA events too and had fun. My whole point was if I had the kind of money to buy and track a GT3RS, I would rather just do actual racing than have the fastest car at HPDE. You can have as much fun as an HPDE or Time Trial in a MUCHeas expensive car than a GT3RS. You don't get a trophy for finishing first at HPDE, been there and done that. |
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I'd hope so. Owning a car you don't like driving sucks. Been there, done that.
I've always liked how Porsches drove. You can't get that rear engine weight transfer out of anything else now. I actually went and looked at a 991.2 C4 over the weekend. If I was a shorter man, I'd probably have bought one. But unfortunately even with a moderately uncomfortable seating position, there just wasn't space for kiddo legs behind me. And the rear seat is the real party trick of the 911, being able to take the kiddos along is a capability I want that the Corvettes just don't fulfill. Sadly there was only about 4" of room behind me with the seat in my driving position. That would make for a very angry toddler. |
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That is me. I was saying this exact thing to a Porsche buddy yesterday. It's not that I can't, it's more of I just really have no interest.
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I think that the 911 has remained very similar in design is a good thing though, it stays true to form, and doesn't try to break from tradition, and the market rewards it for that consistency. |
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Truth is there's a mix of buyers, some are just for show, others like to cruise about on fairweather days and others mildly track or heavily track. I've said before on this forum, if I had the means I still would not go exotic, i'd blow money on a Singer maybe, Alfaholics definitely but big power exotics seem a road to nowhere as they are terrible on the street and a Caterham is more fun on the track.
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Knowing what I know about Porsches now and wanted to race but still have a street legal car, I'd buy a 997 or 987 with a blown motor on the super cheap, build a 4.0, mostly gut it, and go to town with the chassis. I'm not about status. Different strokes.
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As someone who had a GT3 that never came anywhere near a track, I can confirm it’s still a great street car and anyone who says otherwise doesn’t know what they’re talking about. Since my opinion trumps everyone else’s, this matter is now resolved. You’re welcome.
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There are simply just too many versions of the 911 currently and over the past few decades. The current count on Porsche's website is 16 variations of the "911". It's a "911" but the chassis designation is like 992, or 996, or 996.1, 996.2, 996.295 (is that a 996.3 ?) I mean FFS.
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Then they should just make one that feels the best.
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But then when you go to cars and coffee how are you gonna stand around with the other porsche guys and talk minutiae between trims?
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The Carrera/S, Turbo and GT3 for example are wildly different cars. Then you have the GTS and the AWD vs 2WD thing to fill the gaps but it is very, very clever as it allows Porsche to sell to a lot of customers using the one platform.
I want a 2+2, naturally aspirated, RWD, convertible sports car. Others want more power, or AWD or a sportier trim/larger bank balance then me (GTS) and others are willing to go to extremes (Gt3+) and even then you can have a big rear wing or not (touring), strip it right back (T) ......... the beauty is in the configurability |
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Okay, but 16 variants?
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The real answer is all these different trim levels give all these rich guys an excuse to make themselves feel more special.
The Carrera T for example is a "lightweight" version that is marginally lighter than a regular one, but it gives buyers the option to pay a premium to say how they can feel the barely existent difference and how it's "so much more direct and focused". Or you can buy a GTS and talk about how "it's like a race car for the street because it has monoblock wheels". They sell all these different trims so that the mostly older buyers of these cars can sit around at Porsches and Pancakes and talk at length about how they're different and toot their own horns. I've been there. My father had a 997.2 S and a 993, both were great cars, but the PCA crowd even then was getting overrun with big bank accounts losers. The sad part was a lot of the older PCA crowd was just enthusiasts. Porsche didn't really start to attract these owners until the very end of the 997 run. |
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