Hagerty - "The Secret BMW M8 Is The Only V12 Powered M-Car Ever Made"

[mbanck]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Why?

Because it was produced by M, for the same values of "produced" that the other M cars of that time had.

Is the CSi badge not good enough?

Clearly not, when you compare the reviews for both 850i and 850CSi. But the 8 series likely was a lost cause by then anyway.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by mbanck

Because it was produced by M, for the same values of "produced" that the other M cars of that time had.

I call it 'tuned' by M. Clearly they were very very limited with parts (and probably budget) they got from BMW. I don't know how much hands on experience you have with engine technology, if you actually have taken engines apart, but that S70B56 is from a technical pov nothing special. Nothing of the likes the other engines were that were placed in the M3, M5, M635csi etc.
No radical cam timings (not the likes of the other m engines anyway), no dual overhead camshafts, no ITB's, not even 4 valves per cylinder for a 90's engine. It's just a very simple engine with outdated technology when it came to market (1992). And that in an age when the standard bmw i6 engines that came to market in that same year got variable valve timing.
But I guess I'm just more of a guy that rather looks inside engines to see what they actually do than studies VIN codes and motorcodes. And if you look inside that engine...you'd see it's nothing special technology wise. It's big and it's a V12. And that is where it ends.
And my guess is that's the reason it was never called the M8. If BMW actually had made a production M8, my guess for sure is it would've gotten a far far more modern engine. Especially more modern heads. Just like the other engines from BMW 'M in the 80s (and 90s), like for instance the M88 and S38. Those were basically M30 engines but with a more advanced DOHC head, radical camtiming and ITB's. They easily could've done the same trick with the S70B56, but my guess is that BMW found that too expensive, hence the antiquated engine, limited performance (for such a big engine) and no M8 badge.
But my guess is just as good as anyones guess why BMW didn't call it an M8. I'm sure they had their reasons as they for sure did research the possibility. They didn't forget or something like that. It was an active decision to not name it the M8.

[dogballs]

Just buy yourself a track “M8”..

here in NZ

[Dégoûté]

“Doesnt have ///m mirrors.”

[mirob]

Originally Posted by Neusser

Cammissa just has no wit. Typical US whitebread humor. No comedic timing, etc. Like comparing the US version of The Office to the Brit version.

A German assessing humor - now that's fucking funny.

[328dabi]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Just watch the video. He explains the multiple reasons why BMW didn't continue with the M8 project. That journalists and owners of the 850CSI think it's an M8 or call it that, doesn't make it an M8. BMW didn't call it an M8 for a reason (well, multiple reasons). They cancelled the M8 project. So no E31 M8.
If BMW had made an actual M8 production car, I think it would've gotten a far more modern and more powerful engine, and not an antiquated design with single overhead camshaft.

Only bmw does call it an M8 internally, and both the engine designation and vin say it is a proper M vehicle.
As for the one off hyper M8, pics, vids and articles of that car have been making rounds in the internet for over a decade. It gained popularity when BMW M released pictures of their secret garage in which they house hundreds of cars and many of their projects such as the M3Ti and e46 M3 Touring, and V12 powered X5.

As I’ve stated, your denial of this being an m car and earlier claim of it being a track car are both inaccurate.

[Chihuahua]

Watched this video and the one off video over the weekend again. Man oh man do I miss the glory days of BMW. They sure had an amazing run of cars between the early 80s and late 2000s. I remember walking into dealers wanting one of everything. I still love BMW, but it's not quite the same.

[MiamiFan13]

Originally Posted by Chihuahua

Is it just me or can Jason Cammisa be slightly uncomfortable to watch sometimes? I.e., just a little overly animated but not bad enough to turn off. Cool car and decent video nonetheless. A better watch is the one prototype M8 BMW actually did produce.

He should NOT be reviewing cars. I can't take him for more than a few minutes before I get disgusted. His antics are too child-like for me and it takes away from any useful info he attempts to provide. He was meant for the "PRINT" world. He shouldn't be seen or heard.

[Laguna Seca Blue]

I really like Jason’s reviews. They’re informative, funny and he breaks the monotony with those little interludes. He sort of reminds me of an American Chris Harris. Also, who goes around calling people fruity on a public forum? Come on — we’re better than that, right?!

[JohnEnglish]

Originally Posted by Chihuahua

Is it just me or can Jason Cammisa be slightly uncomfortable to watch sometimes? I.e., just a little overly animated but not bad enough to turn off. Cool car and decent video nonetheless. A better watch is the one prototype M8 BMW actually did produce.

Agreed. I can’t stand watching his videos which is too bad since they’re informative. However, I just can’t get past his presentation style.

[mbanck]

Jason discussed the E31 (850CSi or not) for another 75 minutes with Derek Tem-Scott on the Carmudgeon Show podcast today:

[WWM3]

Great video. Awesome car. I’d love to drive one.

[M4Tejas]

[Tallest]

Originally Posted by Chihuahua

Is it just me or can Jason Cammisa be slightly uncomfortable to watch sometimes? I.e., just a little overly animated but not bad enough to turn off. Cool car and decent video nonetheless. A better watch is the one prototype M8 BMW actually did produce.

I think youre accurately describing what i thought watching it. I like when he calmly talks, but I dont think being a clown here suits.

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by mirob

A German assessing humor - now that's fucking funny.

I am American, but I live in Germany.


Life is full of infinite possibilities, which is why we should manage our emotions when commenting on the Interwebz.

[328dabi]

Here’s a period correct road test for anyone interested…as well as a stunning example in dakar

[mirob]

Originally Posted by Neusser

I am American, but I live in Germany.


Life is full of infinite possibilities, which is why we should manage our emotions when commenting on the Interwebz.

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by mirob

How embarassing for you.

[mirob]

Originally Posted by Neusser

How embarassing for you.

I can't take you seriously when I'm reading everything you write in Cammisa's fake German accent. Also doesn't help that you're corny af. Did you really think you made an impactful statement up there? LOL. I rolled my eyes so hard, my iris touched my frontal lobe.

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by mirob

I can't take you seriously when I'm reading everything you write in Cammisa's fake German accent. Also doesn't help that you're corny af. Did you really think you made an impactful statement up there? LOL. I rolled my eyes so hard, my iris touched my frontal lobe.

How embarassing for you.

[mirob]

Originally Posted by Neusser

How embarassing for you.

You got me. I hope your weekend is going better than your responses. Enjoy.

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by mirob

You got me. I hope your weekend is going better than your responses. Enjoy.

You got yourself by stating bullshit as fact.

I just find it funny.