MJ vs Kobe

Inspired · 06-13-2015, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ny325

Down to the wire, I'm taking Jordon, and then Kobe. Lebron isn't in the conversation for me.

I would take Carmelo over all of them.

stimpy · 06-13-2015, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Inspired

I would take Carmelo over all of them.

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ASBSECU E93 · 06-14-2015, 08:59 PM

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I would take Carmelo over all of them.

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Originally Posted by stimpy

lololololololol

Oh SHIT - I think beer just shot out of my nose from this comment!!

hongsc · 06-15-2015, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ny325

Down to the wire, I'm taking Jordon, and then Kobe. Lebron isn't in the conversation for me.

Last second shot I take Robert Horry.

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Originally Posted by Inspired

I would take Carmelo over all of them.

Maybe Caramello. But not Carmelo. He's just a scorer. He can't lead a team and probably never will.

ny325 · 06-15-2015, 10:54 PM

Let's not forget Reggie Miller. Us Knick fans know him really well.

Game · 06-16-2015, 05:27 AM

If we're talking just clutch players, Melo is actually pretty damn clutch.

Iverson · 07-05-2015, 07:09 AM

KD or D Rose? For being clutch in todays game

kprocivic · 07-05-2015, 01:16 PM

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KD or D Rose? For being clutch in todays game

Definitely choose kd, less likely to be hurt after the game.

Iverson · 07-28-2015, 04:28 AM

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Definitely choose kd, less likely to be hurt after the game.

Lol that's terrible

jeveryday · 07-28-2015, 03:50 PM

No questions MJ is great and I guess the greatest. However my argument for Kobe is always this...

After Shaq left, Kobe went almost 4 years w/o any superstar level help.

Jordan NEVER had a year that he wasn't setup with an All Star squad. The moment he lost in the Eastern conference semi's he was rewarded with Dennis Rodman.

Jordan NEVER had to threaten to leave a team to get more talent for their star.

Jordan played with Scottie who was a top 50 player of All Time. Even if you kicked it up to top 100(given the extra time), can any of Kobe's teammates fill any of those spots aside from Shaq? Not even Pau Gasol.

pikkagtr · 08-02-2015, 05:35 PM

Is MJ better than TD??? Most definitely, no arguments .
Is Kobe better than TD? I would argue no.
With the exception of landing Aldridge this past free agency, Duncan has NEVER had a super star or an all star cast for more than 1-2 of his 18 seasons, yet he's never missed the playoffs, won 50 games in 16 straight seasons and he's had a much better career than Kobe.
After the Lakers got their beat down from the pistons on 04, TD carried the spurs in 7 to beat the pistons in 05. All he had was a healthy Manu.
TD has consistently done more with a lot less, Kobe had a prime gasol, healthy Bynum, artest Fisher and Odom off the bench and Phil and they still lost to Boston in 08.
TD had who? Oberto? Brent Barry? Speedy claxton? 90 yr old horry and Steve Smith. Kerr played like 5 minutes and their backup center was nzir muhamed .......
The fact that Duncan will still contend for a title and may win it all again this coming season speaks volumes about his greatness.
I would put Duncan ahead of Kobe as an NBA player on and off the court any day of the week.
If Kobe isn't even as great as TD , how can we compare him to MJ???

kprocivic · 08-02-2015, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pikkagtr

Is MJ better than TD??? Most definitely, no arguments .
Is Kobe better than TD? I would argue no.
With the exception of landing Aldridge this past free agency, Duncan has NEVER had a super star or an all star cast for more than 1-2 of his 18 seasons, yet he's never missed the playoffs, won 50 games in 16 straight seasons and he's had a much better career than Kobe.
After the Lakers got their beat down from the pistons on 04, TD carried the spurs in 7 to beat the pistons in 05. All he had was a healthy Manu.
TD has consistently done more with a lot less, Kobe had a prime gasol, healthy Bynum, artest Fisher and Odom off the bench and Phil and they still lost to Boston in 08.
TD had who? Oberto? Brent Barry? Speedy claxton? 90 yr old horry and Steve Smith. Kerr played like 5 minutes and their backup center was nzir muhamed .......
The fact that Duncan will still contend for a title and may win it all again this coming season speaks volumes about his greatness.
I would put Duncan ahead of Kobe as an NBA player on and off the court any day of the week.
If Kobe isn't even as great as TD , how can we compare him to MJ???

not sure if you know but your comparing a shooting guard to a power forward.

pikkagtr · 08-02-2015, 05:44 PM

NBA is becoming a position less league. TD is actually a center BTW.
You can compare MJ to anyone and he is still the GOAT.
If we simply go by better NBA player like I explained in my post, TD is still hands down better than Kobe.
If we stick to ranking by position , then no doubt MJ is 1a and Kobe is 1b in the SG position.

kprocivic · 08-02-2015, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by pikkagtr

NBA is becoming a position less league. TD is actually a center BTW.
You can compare MJ to anyone and he is still the GOAT.
If we simply go by better NBA player like I explained in my post, TD is still hands down better than Kobe.
If we stick to ranking by position , then no doubt MJ is 1a and Kobe is 1b in the SG position.

Duncan is the best power forward in my lifetime, he may be the greatest ever, but to say he's in the mj kobe lebron convo nah I don't think so.

pikkagtr · 08-02-2015, 06:00 PM

So lets speak accolades and career individual and team accomplishments
TD vs Kobe
Ill start with TD and you can decide for yourself
#1 draft pick
Rookie of the year
2 back to back league mvps
3 finals mvps
6 finals appearances and 5 titles
Spurs all time leading scorer
15x all star
All star mvp 2000
10x all NBA first team
16x all NBA defensive team (8x 1st/8x2nd)

Kobe wasn't even the best player on his team for 4 of his rings.
Gasol was arguably the best in 2009 , but i do agree with kobes finals mvp against Orlando in 2010

BTW, no one is in the MJ convo.
It's ranked as Jordan .......
Then the next best guy starts #1, that'll be magic
Jordan doesn't start at 1 because he's incomprehensibly better than everyone else

mylydiamy · 09-10-2015, 04:46 PM

The way I compare two players is this : Ask yourself which player you would pick at age 20 if you were the coach of a NBA team and knew EXACTLY how each player would turn out to be in the future..

Knowing what both Kobe and TD have accomplished in their carriers, I would have picked TD over Kobe in a heartbeat. What really separates him from Kobe is his leadership skills which Kobe totally lacks.

My 20 bucks against anyone's dollar that EVERY single coach in NBA would pick TD over Kobe if both were young (knowing their future as I mentioned above)

kprocivic · 09-10-2015, 04:58 PM

I have only good things to say about duncan. Like a lot of great players, their environment really compliments certain personalities. Kobe would dominate on any nba team. Duncan's selflessness I think would hinder him from being a dominate force outside San Antonio.

As for bron bron. He kinda has the best of both worlds.

eric@helix · 09-10-2015, 05:06 PM

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The way I compare two players is this : Ask yourself which player you would pick at age 20 if you were the coach of a NBA team and knew EXACTLY how each player would turn out to be in the future..

Knowing what both Kobe and TD have accomplished in their carriers, I would have picked TD over Kobe in a heartbeat. What really separates him from Kobe is his leadership skills which Kobe totally lacks.

My 20 bucks against anyone's dollar that EVERY single coach in NBA would pick TD over Kobe if both were young (knowing their future as I mentioned above)

^This^, and I bet 95% of NBA coaches would pick Michael over all of 'em.

pikkagtr · 09-10-2015, 10:13 PM

People are flocking to SA and D West is giving up 10 mil $$$ to come play with TD.
I don't see anyone running to play with KoME

kprocivic · 09-10-2015, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pikkagtr

People are flocking to SA and D West is giving up 10 mil $$$ to come play with TD.
I don't see anyone running to play with KoME

That's no surprise. Kobe holds his teammates accountable. I'd have to say he is a perfectionist.

pikkagtr · 09-10-2015, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kprocivic

That's no surprise. Kobe holds his teammates accountable. I'd have to say he is a perfectionist.

Just like how he was quoted when asked about Smush Parker on his team...
"What do you expect me to do? Pass the ball? "
Yes very perfect

TD I'm sure has never held his teammates accountable

kprocivic · 09-10-2015, 11:14 PM

Say what you want Kobe Bryant is the only player that can be compared to Jordan.

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jeveryday Colonel 81 Rep 2,335 Posts Drives: 2012 535i xDrive Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Long Island, New York iTrader: (6)	No questions MJ is great and I guess the greatest. However my argument for Kobe is always this... After Shaq left, Kobe went almost 4 years w/o any superstar level help. Jordan NEVER had a year that he wasn't setup with an All Star squad. The moment he lost in the Eastern conference semi's he was rewarded with Dennis Rodman. Jordan NEVER had to threaten to leave a team to get more talent for their star. Jordan played with Scottie who was a top 50 player of All Time. Even if you kicked it up to top 100(given the extra time), can any of Kobe's teammates fill any of those spots aside from Shaq? Not even Pau Gasol.
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pikkagtr Go Spurs Go 3985 Rep 2,916 Posts Drives: '22 GR Z4 Coup '06 Z4M Rdster Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Bay Area iTrader: (-1)	Is MJ better than TD??? Most definitely, no arguments . Is Kobe better than TD? I would argue no. With the exception of landing Aldridge this past free agency, Duncan has NEVER had a super star or an all star cast for more than 1-2 of his 18 seasons, yet he's never missed the playoffs, won 50 games in 16 straight seasons and he's had a much better career than Kobe. After the Lakers got their beat down from the pistons on 04, TD carried the spurs in 7 to beat the pistons in 05. All he had was a healthy Manu. TD has consistently done more with a lot less, Kobe had a prime gasol, healthy Bynum, artest Fisher and Odom off the bench and Phil and they still lost to Boston in 08. TD had who? Oberto? Brent Barry? Speedy claxton? 90 yr old horry and Steve Smith. Kerr played like 5 minutes and their backup center was nzir muhamed ....... The fact that Duncan will still contend for a title and may win it all again this coming season speaks volumes about his greatness. I would put Duncan ahead of Kobe as an NBA player on and off the court any day of the week. If Kobe isn't even as great as TD , how can we compare him to MJ???
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pikkagtr Go Spurs Go 3985 Rep 2,916 Posts Drives: '22 GR Z4 Coup '06 Z4M Rdster Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Bay Area iTrader: (-1)	NBA is becoming a position less league. TD is actually a center BTW. You can compare MJ to anyone and he is still the GOAT. If we simply go by better NBA player like I explained in my post, TD is still hands down better than Kobe. If we stick to ranking by position , then no doubt MJ is 1a and Kobe is 1b in the SG position.
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pikkagtr Go Spurs Go 3985 Rep 2,916 Posts Drives: '22 GR Z4 Coup '06 Z4M Rdster Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Bay Area iTrader: (-1)	So lets speak accolades and career individual and team accomplishments TD vs Kobe Ill start with TD and you can decide for yourself #1 draft pick Rookie of the year 2 back to back league mvps 3 finals mvps 6 finals appearances and 5 titles Spurs all time leading scorer 15x all star All star mvp 2000 10x all NBA first team 16x all NBA defensive team (8x 1st/8x2nd) Kobe wasn't even the best player on his team for 4 of his rings. Gasol was arguably the best in 2009 , but i do agree with kobes finals mvp against Orlando in 2010 BTW, no one is in the MJ convo. It's ranked as Jordan ....... Then the next best guy starts #1, that'll be magic Jordan doesn't start at 1 because he's incomprehensibly better than everyone else
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mylydiamy Lieutenant 76 Rep 534 Posts Drives: 2008 335i e93 convertible Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New Jersey iTrader: (1)	The way I compare two players is this : Ask yourself which player you would pick at age 20 if you were the coach of a NBA team and knew EXACTLY how each player would turn out to be in the future.. Knowing what both Kobe and TD have accomplished in their carriers, I would have picked TD over Kobe in a heartbeat. What really separates him from Kobe is his leadership skills which Kobe totally lacks. My 20 bucks against anyone's dollar that EVERY single coach in NBA would pick TD over Kobe if both were young (knowing their future as I mentioned above)
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kprocivic Lieutenant Colonel 814 Rep 1,575 Posts Drives: ecoboost s to the t Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: 92346 iTrader: (7)	I have only good things to say about duncan. Like a lot of great players, their environment really compliments certain personalities. Kobe would dominate on any nba team. Duncan's selflessness I think would hinder him from being a dominate force outside San Antonio. As for bron bron. He kinda has the best of both worlds.
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kprocivic Lieutenant Colonel 814 Rep 1,575 Posts Drives: ecoboost s to the t Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: 92346 iTrader: (7)	Say what you want Kobe Bryant is the only player that can be compared to Jordan.
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