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01-25-2022, 03:55 PM | #45 |
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I had an E46 M3 and it was a nightmare after 100,000 miles. Yearly maintenance was close to the used car value. I happily got rid of it. I did have to pay the dealer tax to maintain it though.
My current M2 is hands down a much better car to drive. I have a hard time believing the E46 M3 will ever be worth more than an M2. |
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01-25-2022, 06:24 PM | #47 | |
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That said the E46 is one of the best looking M cars and at least for people around my age a real hero car that I dreamt of when I was in college. But I bought an M2 Comp because also looks good, low miles, warranty and hella fun (I would still love to own a E46 some time but as a companion to the F87) |
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01-25-2022, 07:14 PM | #48 | |
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01-26-2022, 08:41 AM | #49 | |
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Good for him for starting a successful business though!
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01-26-2022, 09:31 AM | #50 | |
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Part of what makes for a good drivers car is high redline, peak hp near redline, and not a ton of power down low. That forces you to work for your speed, and working for speed is what makes a good driver's car. The s62 is the opposite experience of that. You can call that my opinion, but if you think about all of the great drivers cars through history, they all have that in common-- Porsche GT cars, Ferraris that people care about, integras, S2000s, NSX. Torque is boring. Plus, the s62 doesn't allow space for R&P steering.... so e39 M5's got steering boxes. They still feel light years better than anything BMW sells today, but they're not nearly as good as the e46 (or 6 cylinder e39s). ... as a result, I found my e39 530i more rewarding to drive than my e39 M5. Less weight, more effort for speed, better steering, = more fun. Power isn't that important to how fun a car is to drive, and 0-60 in 4.5-4.8 (depending on the publication you read) is plenty enough to keep up with traffic, on street or track. Which, is why the CSL is so coveted today. It focused on exactly what actually could make the e46 M3 better-- less weight. Getting it down to 3080-3150 lbs (depending on how you specced it) is freaking amazing. I've been working on getting weight out of my e46 M3 coupe for 16 years, and I've only just recently gotten it under 3100 lbs with full interior and a quiet muffler. ... if you built a more race spec S62 (solid lifters for higher redline, cams to shift the powerband towards to the right, long tube headers to support the high RPMs, dry sump to allow R&P)... that I could see being a good time in an e46. That said, it would also add weight on the nose, which is sub optimal. The S62 also seems to pump out a ton more heat, which means it would need a lot more cooling system for the type of track use M3s see, which would add even more weight. At the end of the day, the S54 is one of the greatest engines ever made and the S62 is... good.
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01-26-2022, 10:04 AM | #51 | |
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My M3 coupe is sitting at 160,000 miles, 20,000 of which were on track. My M3 wagon is coming up on 210,000 miles My e39 M5 is over 190,000 miles My e60 M5 is at 110,000 miles My e39 530i was at 280,000 miles when I sold it. My e36 M3 street car (also techno) had 220,000 on it when I sold it. Two of those cars had <4 miles on them when I picked them up. It is possible I have deceased their value
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02-23-2022, 06:22 AM | #54 |
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Garage Queens are great to look at . But I wouldn't want to spend huge money to get one only to fear and feel
guilt driving it and damaging it . I'd rather get one decently mantained with average kms on it and enjoy it guilt free . Brings a smile to know too that it 'll still hold its value even if I rack up more kms thoroughly enjoying it !! |
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02-24-2022, 07:50 AM | #56 |
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Question - why would anyone spend $100K or even anywhere near $50K on an E46 M3 when there is a spiritual successor around (the M2) for equal amounts and is a far better car?
Better Chassis, much more powerful engines, better tranny and better tech. Sure it doesn't have the NA I6 but its torquier and far more reliable.
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02-24-2022, 08:28 AM | #57 | |
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I have a large level of enthusiasm for the e46 M3, and zero desire for an M2. EPS is ruinous to driving for me and I hate the driving dynamics of turbo engines. My M3 converted station wagon is lighter than an M2, and the M2 is closer in weight to my M5s than my M3 coupe. If you think about the all time great drivers cars (NSX, GT3, integra, S2000, Miata, etc), they're all light weight, NA, high revving with not a ton of low end torque, amazing throttle response, good steering feel, small, manual trans cars. The e46 is better at being light, NA, high revving, low torque, throttle response, steering feel, and has a better manual experience. It ~ties the M2 in size. From a drivers car perspective, being faster doesn't really matter so long as it's fast enough to be fun to drive. And then, by coincidence, the e46 M3 happens to be one of BMWs best styled cars ever, and has one of their best interior layouts. None of this is to say you shouldn't enjoy your M2-- if you value tech and torque over engagement (and, at this point, having a warranty over having a 15-20 year old german sports car), it's 100% the right choice. I'm just explaining why the market is valuing e46's as it is. Oh, and every e46 M3 is either manual, or a quick conversion away from being manual (as the SMG is the same gearbox as the 6mt-- so converting isn't a trans swap, but instead a swapping robots/hydraulics for pedal/lever)-- and manual cars are more valuable across all not new cars.
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I'm helping a friend sell one... If interested it's way less than $100K..
https://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1878773
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Ian, they can't handle you here.
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And I am not being disrespectful at all. Its like watching Citizen Kane and saying the Jar Jar Binks special effects are newer and thusly better. Some things age like fine wine. (like my grand plans) |
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Really? I think old people are the ones selling them to the 40 year olds unless 40 is "old" to you in which case god help most of us posting in the BMW classics forum? I am about to turn to dust I guess.
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The E46 is fits like a surgical glove and cuts like a scalpel. I can not stand the new look of all screens and waterfall consoles. I like a few buttons, analogue dials and driving engagement. Classic stays classic, digital eventually ages pretty poorly. |
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