Still want an EV? (NO POLITICS)

[gonzo]

TSLA taking a dump and stuff.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by gonzo

TSLA taking a dump and stuff.

It's going to be a great buy opportunity.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by murderspice

You do realize that’s fascism, right? No disrespect.

None taken because you have that backwards. Fascism is when corporations do the will of the Govenment. Fascism is when the Government will not let corporations exist unless the corporation acts how the government wants it to act.

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

None taken because you have that backwards. Fascism is when corporations do the will of the Govenment. Fascism is when the Government will not let corporations exist unless the corporation acts how the government wants it to act.

Fascism is when social interests are replaced by those of a private entity.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by ASAP

I've said this before... I think the govt got way too involved in things they shouldn't have... namely for the purposes of this discussion - a ton of money headed towards EVs and credits, that we just don't have.

WHICH... ironically was led by corporate lobbying in the form of Tesla looking for a handout and later not paying their taxes and / or moving locations to prevent payment of taxes... here is where the GOVT didn't get involved and just let things pass.

That's the circle of life in this country. We can no longer afford a fraction of what we currently spend money on.

I'd say all of EV started with the California Air Resources Board in the late 1960's. First it was emissions standards in California with the goal always to eventually reach zero-emission cars (electric powered by the sun). Then the formation of the EPA in 1970. Fast forward to the Energy Policy Act of 2005, which is where Federal Government investment in alternate fueled vehicles made it into the tax code. That law initiated the tax credit for consumers at $3,750. That law predates Tesla is its current form (it wasn't even producing cars in any significant manner. 2009 via the Obama administration brought a doubling of three tax credit to $7,500 for a alternate-fuel vehicle with a minimum 15kWh battery and an increase in the sunset count of 200,000 (from originally just 60,000).

It's possible Tesla lobbied the Obama administration and the 110th/111th Congress but I'm not sure it had enough clout in 2008/2009; it was making the Tesla Roadster at the time as a boutique manufacturer.

Government participation in EV has been since the beginning an effort to address anthropogenic climate change. (The ultimate Chicken Little Story).

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Yes, all EVs get only 7000 miles out of a set of tires. This is to be expected. I actually replace my tires after just 2000 miles. Sometimes I just turn around after they are replaced and go back and get them replaced.

But what about brakes?

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by murderspice

But what about brakes?

swap them out daily.

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

The point eugenebmw is making warrants that EV tyres generally have a shorter lifespan compared to lighter gas cars because of their heavier weight.

Shouldn’t we fully expect the market to develop harder, more long-lasting tires as EV adoption increases?

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by murderspice

Fascism is when social interests are replaced by those of a private entity.

Note: this is just a history lesson regarding government.

From Wikipedia:

"Fascist leaders such as Mussolini and Hitler spoke of the need to create a new managerial elite led by engineers and captains of industry—but free from the parasitic leadership of industries."

"Fascist economics supported a state-controlled economy that accepted a mix of private and public ownership over the means of production. Economic planning was applied to both the public and private sector and the prosperity of private enterprise depended on its acceptance of synchronizing itself with the economic goals of the state. Fascist economic ideology supported the profit motive, but emphasized that industries must uphold the national interest as superior to private profit."

End of internet thesis paper...

[crAbb]

One for the EV drivers....

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by murderspice

Shouldn’t we fully expect the market to develop harder, more long-lasting tires as EV adoption increases?

Even harder tyres? Search me

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

£2.54T over here.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Even harder tyres? Search me

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

The point eugenebmw is making warrants that EV tyres generally have a shorter lifespan compared to lighter gas cars because of their heavier weight.

In urban environments (including one of my friend is going to purchase a EV very soon) are buying EV for cost, or because of the gov. rebate. Yes, they don't have to pay for the gas, but now they have to pay for tires and all other inconveniences . Is it really saving money. May be if they drive like grandpa and grandma

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

Also some EV users (including one of my friend is going to purchase a EV very soon) are thinking owning a EV will save them money. Yes, you don't pay for the gas, but now you have pay for tires. Is it really saving money. May be if you drive like a grandpa and grandma

Shouldn’t we fully expect the market to develop harder, more long-lasting tires as EV adoption increases?

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Note: this is just a history lesson regarding government.

From Wikipedia:

"Fascist leaders such as Mussolini and Hitler spoke of the need to create a new managerial elite led by engineers and captains of industry—but free from the parasitic leadership of industries."

"Fascist economics supported a state-controlled economy that accepted a mix of private and public ownership over the means of production. Economic planning was applied to both the public and private sector and the prosperity of private enterprise depended on its acceptance of synchronizing itself with the economic goals of the state. Fascist economic ideology supported the profit motive, but emphasized that industries must uphold the national interest as superior to private profit."

End of internet thesis paper...

That is exactly what I said.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by murderspice

That is exactly what I said.

Actually no, it's the opposite of what you understand it to be and what you said.

You said, "Would you prefer it if your govt just adopted whatever policy a (large) manufacturer told it to?"

Those words mean the corporation dictates government policy. What is highlighted in bold in text says the opposite; it explains how corporations must adhere to the policies of the State (i.e. the Government) under a fascist government.

[MmmmmM2]

This is the thread that just keeps on giving. Kind of like the "Jelly of the Month" Xmas bonus from Christmas Vacation.

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Actually no, it's the opposite of what you understand it to be and what you said.

You said, "Would you prefer it if your govt just adopted whatever policy a (large) manufacturer told it to?"

Those words mean the corporation dictates government policy. What is highlighted in bold in text says the opposite; it explains how corporations must adhere to the policies of the State (i.e. the Government) under a fascist government.

See:

Originally Posted by murderspice

Fascism is when social interests are replaced by those of a private entity.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by MmmmmM2

This is the thread that just keeps on giving. Kind of like the "Jelly of the Month" Xmas bonus from Christmas Vacation.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by murderspice

See:

Okay, I'm using real terms and real definitions as determined by history. You are using some internet prejoritve crap. Fascism came into being as a Governmental system in 1922, in Italy.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by murderspice

Fascism is when social interests are replaced by those of a private entity.

Where ever do you get that tripe?

fascism /făsh′ĭz″əm/
noun
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
Oppressive, dictatorial control.