Still want an EV? (NO POLITICS)

[Car-Addicted]

AI's Massive Power Consumption Demands Innovative Energy Solutions
Jan 22, 2024
Artificial Intelligence, including systems like GPT-3, consumes massive amounts of electricity, comparable to entire nations, and is expected to use 3.5% of global electricity by 2030.
Estimations suggest that the training process for GPT-3, the predecessor of ChatGPT, required around 1,287 megawatt hours of electricity and 10,000 computer chips – enough energy to power about 121 homes in the United States (where the average home consumes a considerable amount of energy compared to other nations) for an entire year. The amount of energy used to train GPT-3 is also sufficient to produce around 550 tonnes of carbon dioxide. Indeed, estimated figures suggest that Open.AI, the creators of ChatGPT, spend about US$700,000 per day on computing costs alone to run its chatbot service for its approximately 100 million users around the globe.
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-G...Solutions.html

AI Boom Will Cause Data Centre Electricity Demand to Double
January 24, 2024
As AI and other new technologies continue to be in high demand worldwide, the data centres that facilitate this growth will double their electricity consumption in just two years.
https://datacentremagazine.com/data-...mand-to-double

Better fire up those windmills.

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Over here the rulers are in real trouble not only with their crumbling zero carbon policies wasting billions of hard earned tax payers money being squandered and the tide is turning, more and more opposition to it with news outlets constantly now challenging the madness of their policies.

Dont speak for America; yall’s problems are *vastly* different than they are here. Foreign politics is an invasive species.

[eugenebmw]

Toyota is saying pure EV will never dominate the car market. It make perfect sense. Somehow our gov. are not listening

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...market-toyota/

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

Toyota is saying pure EV will never dominate the car market. It make perfect sense. Somehow our gov. are not listening

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...market-toyota/

It's funny because I have been saying 30% and we hit a wall for like 5 years.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by murderspice

Dont speak for America; yall’s problems are *vastly* different than they are here. Foreign politics is an invasive species.

I'm speaking with what's happening here and I can say what I like about any country, you're not a special case.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

AI's Massive Power Consumption Demands Innovative Energy Solutions
Jan 22, 2024
Artificial Intelligence, including systems like GPT-3, consumes massive amounts of electricity, comparable to entire nations, and is expected to use 3.5% of global electricity by 2030.
Estimations suggest that the training process for GPT-3, the predecessor of ChatGPT, required around 1,287 megawatt hours of electricity and 10,000 computer chips – enough energy to power about 121 homes in the United States (where the average home consumes a considerable amount of energy compared to other nations) for an entire year. The amount of energy used to train GPT-3 is also sufficient to produce around 550 tonnes of carbon dioxide. Indeed, estimated figures suggest that Open.AI, the creators of ChatGPT, spend about US$700,000 per day on computing costs alone to run its chatbot service for its approximately 100 million users around the globe.
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-G...Solutions.html

AI Boom Will Cause Data Centre Electricity Demand to Double
January 24, 2024
As AI and other new technologies continue to be in high demand worldwide, the data centres that facilitate this growth will double their electricity consumption in just two years.
https://datacentremagazine.com/data-...mand-to-double

Better fire up those windmills.

This is quite true.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

Toyota is saying pure EV will never dominate the car market. It make perfect sense. Somehow our gov. are not listening

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...market-toyota/

They really are hard of hearing from what the manufacturers are pleading, except to their own speak.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

They really are hard of hearing from what the manufacturers are pleading, except to their own speak.

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

They really are hard of hearing from what the manufacturers are pleading, except to their own speak.

Would you prefer it if your govt just adopted whatever policy a (large) manufacturer told it to? Would you be okay with the British govt saying, “welp, Toyota says EVs aint gonna happen so shut it down.” What if Toyota said tricycles was the future?

[eugenebmw]

New tires every 7,000 miles? Electric cars save gas but tire wear shocks some Florida drivers

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...#storylink=cpy

In order to save the tires. EV owners has one option. Drive like grandpa and grandma

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by murderspice

Would you prefer it if your govt just adopted whatever policy a (large) manufacturer told it to? Would you be okay with the British govt saying, “welp, Toyota says EVs aint gonna happen so shut it down.” What if Toyota said tricycles was the future?

Yes, profit motive has created very good things. Government does not operate on profit motive. That's why the US is $37T in debt.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

New tires every 7,000 miles? Electric cars save gas but tire wear shocks some Florida drivers

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...#storylink=cpy

In order to save the tires. EV owners has one option. Drive like grandpa and grandma

Heavier tyres with stiffer sidewalls make them handle like a mattress also.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Yes, profit motive has created very good things. Government does not operate on profit motive. That's why the US is $37T in debt.

£2.54T over here.

[Car-Addicted]

Bozo vetoes law blocking EV charging stations' 'Buy America' waiver
January 24, 2024
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -Bozo on Wednesday vetoed legislation aimed at reversing his administration's waiver of "Buy America" requirements for government-funded electric vehicle (EV) charging stations, according to a senior U.S. official.
The veto came the same day Bozo's 2024 re-election campaign won the endorsement of the United Auto Workers, a politically influential union that has sought the administration's protection amid the transition to electric vehicles.
https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...ns-2024-01-24/

Yes yet another example of unions screwing their members and politicians screwing Americans. But hey look over here, it's Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

New tires every 7,000 miles? Electric cars save gas but tire wear shocks some Florida drivers

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...#storylink=cpy

In order to save the tires. EV owners has one option. Drive like grandpa and grandma

Yes, all EVs get only 7000 miles out of a set of tires. This is to be expected. I actually replace my tires after just 2000 miles. Sometimes I just turn around after they are replaced and go back and get them replaced.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Yes, all EVs get only 7000 miles out of a set of tires. This is to be expected. I actually replace my tires after just 2000 miles. Sometimes I just turn around after they are replaced and go back and get them replaced.

The point eugenebmw is making warrants that EV tyres generally have a shorter lifespan compared to lighter gas cars because of their heavier weight.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

The point eugenebmw is making warrants that EV tyres generally have a shorter lifespan compared to lighter gas cars because of their heavier weight.

That was clickbait bs at 7K. If someone in a Camry asked me what to expect on tire wear I would NOT base my estimate off my prior M5 or my S Plaid.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by gblansten

That was clickbait bs at 7K. If someone in a Camry asked me what to expect on tire wear I would NOT base my estimate off my prior M5 or my S Plaid.

Okay, but what is the number? I necessarily do not adhere that EV are significantly heavier than ICEV where tire wear is that much greater. But are EV-specific rubber compounds and tread patterns designed for quieter operation affecting shorter tire lifespans?

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Yes

You do realize that’s fascism, right? No disrespect.

[gblansten]

I’m not against a non hair on fire reasonable discussion, but I’m against Clickbait BS.
By definition, the heavier the car generally the faster the tire wear. But the article about an EV car getting 7000 miles per set of tires is ridiculous. The first C 63 AMG was having some issues with tire wear but I wouldn’t extrapolate that to every ICE vehicle and I had a C63 AMG. I think it was mainly a rear camber issue and the torque.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Yes, profit motive has created very good things. Government does not operate on profit motive. That's why the US is $37T in debt.

I've said this before... I think the govt got way too involved in things they shouldn't have... namely for the purposes of this discussion - a ton of money headed towards EVs and credits, that we just don't have.

WHICH... ironically was led by corporate lobbying in the form of Tesla looking for a handout and later not paying their taxes and / or moving locations to prevent payment of taxes... here is where the GOVT didn't get involved and just let things pass.

That's the circle of life in this country. We can no longer afford a fraction of what we currently spend money on.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by ASAP

That's the circle of life in this country. We can no longer afford a fraction of what we currently spend money on.

FTFU
That's the circle of death in this country. We can no longer afford a fraction of what we currently spend money on.