Still want an EV? (NO POLITICS)

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

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This is how I and my wife get away from aging. We save $$$$$$$$. I can fuel up my G82 and have tons of fun.

I have never claim I am doing anything to help the world because driving any car itself is not saving the earth anything. I believe anyone who claim they are helping the world should stop doing most thing and live as simple as possible. I am seeing no one on this forum is living as simple as a person can be.

I can only say that I take that with a pinch of salt. Living in a house at 10C most of the winter time would age us twice as fast ..I mean come on, you're having a laugh.

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I can only say that I take that with a pinch of salt. Living in a house at 10C most of the winter time would age us twice as fast ..I mean come on, you're having a laugh.

it would actually slow the aging process...he may be on to somehting


it's comical that someone would actually live like that so they can afford a BMW

[Car-Addicted]

Bob! Make up the fires, and buy another coal-scuttle before you dot another i.
Bob Cratchit

Empire Wind 2 project terminated as Equinor and BP seek a reset
Equinor and BP have decided to terminate the Empire Wind 2 project, citing inflation, interest rates, and supply chain disruptions. The Northeastern U.S. offshore project promised a potential generative capacity of 1,260 MW.
But the project was already on the chopping block after the New York State Public Service Commission denied petitions filed by a group of developers and a state renewable energy trade association seeking billions of dollars in additional funding from consumers for four proposed offshore wind projects and 86 land-based renewable projects.
https://www.renewableenergyworld.com...-seek-a-reset/

What, green energy is going to cost consumers more? Tell me it ain't so.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

If any climate fearers who live in Northern part of Europe, Canada or Northern part of USA still keep their house temperature higher than 15C in the winter. None of them should talk about saving the earth. They are just hypocite. I keep my house at 10C or lower. Running the furnace only when I am taking the shower and have lunch. Total furnace run time in the middle of the winter is usually less than 1 hour per day. Anyone can match or beat that, then we can start talking saving the earth. Otherwise, shut the heck up.

Seriously, 10C is 50F. (I keep our house warmer than that when I'm away for the winter and the house is empty, when we're home I keep our house at 20C (68F). That is comfortable, we get winter so even if I did keep my house at 10C my furnace would be running several hours a day.

You live in Vancouver so really a whole other kettle of fish when you're discussing winter, hell it rarely goes below 0C (32F) in winter.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Just a walk over to the main motorway service area would have that sorted.

The Belgian government has ordered 92 'Electric BYD buses in China, and they can order 408 additional buses from BYD China.
The FKN idiots !

Meanwhile , in the Belgian bus factory Van Hool , 1500 workers are unemployed !

Source => https://m.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20240..._source=google

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

If any climate fearers who live in Northern part of Europe, Canada or Northern part of USA still keep their house temperature higher than 15C in the winter. None of them should talk about saving the earth. They are just hypocrite. I keep my house at 10C or lower. Running the furnace only when I am taking the shower and have lunch. Total furnace run time in the middle of the winter is usually less than 1 hour per day. Anyone can match or beat that, then we can start talking saving the earth. Otherwise, shut the heck up.

We all can keep our dwelling at whatever temp we want/can afford. However, MANDATING 50 deg. F as max winter temperature for a dwelling unit temp, well you'd get some pushback on that number...

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

it would actually slow the aging process...he may be on to somehting


it's comical that someone would actually live like that so they can afford a BMW

Yeah, 'cause you'd die at 55 years old...

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

except it doesnt work like that in the US...don't be dooped by an anti-EV boob from another country who is most likely being paid by BP for these idiotic anti-ev videos.

Most modern day EV's wouldn't need to charge on a 200 mile trip if you left the house on a full charge and it would cost about $17-25 and about 30 min to get a 250 mile charge.
If you need $75 and 2 hours of charging time in the US for that you have no idea what you're doing or just spewing hyperbolic nonsense

I found it amusing he drove by two Texaco stations under the anxiety of trying to find a charger. I'm sure that editing was on purpose, but it was nonetheless amusing.

This is what I find interesting. ICEV typically have a 400-mile range and recharge in 5 minutes. EV have a typical 200-mile range (given the recharging parameter of EV batteries is fastest charging and least inducement of battery damage is to charge between 20% to 80%) and charge in 30 to 50 minutes. Yet gas stations are ubiquitous; most small towns have at least two, and interstates have gas station exits nearly every 10 miles. The opposite is true for the EV, the infrastructure is sparse and the investment to spread the infrastructure is mostly being made by the government. Sure, ICE has a 100-year head start, but I'll counter with how many gas stations (locations) are 100 years old? So, if ICEV are the vehicles that have 400-mile ranges and a charging station every 10 miles, why do I need to change my refueling parameters to accept a vehicle that gets 200-miles to a fuel load and takes 6 to 10 times as long to refuel if I convert to EV? Why do I have to accept needing 4 phone apps and navigation/routing software to constantly replan for charging availability during a road trip (non-Tesla)?

I think this was the point of the MacMaster video regarding the Texaco stations, to make it clear the EV/ICEV refueling dichotomy I just wrote about.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

OK I'll give you, that home charging is least expensive. MotorTrend article is pretty straight forward. If you need to use public charging or the distance exceeds your battery capacity it is a whole new ball game.

The Key Takeaway
Owning a Tesla can save you hundreds of dollars a year on fuel costs, but only if you're able to charge at home or find public plugs with free or subsidized electricity. The premium pricing at Superchargers and other public charging stations often makes driving an EV just as expensive as driving an efficient hybrid or gas car.
https://www.motortrend.com/features/...harge-a-tesla/

Just for grins, here is my real-world energy/mile cost data. I keep strict fuel mileage data for 4 of my 5 cars*. I record each fuel fill by date, odometer reading, gallons and cost to fill. Keep in mind the BMWs and Bronco require premium fuel. The Hummer I use mid-grade (probably don't have to, but I just got a tune for the engine to use mid-grade).

* for the Z3 I don't keep fuel records because it's my wife's car and she never kept such data (she's not a nerd), but the Z3 pretty much mirrors the Z4 MPG (around 27) so I use the Z4 data for the Z3 for this analysis.

The Motor Trend data for the Model 3 RWD vs. the Accord indicates a 2-cent energy savings for the Tesla. Considering the minimal fuel cost savings an EV would provide against the tradeoff of range anxiety and public refueling compromises (both Motor Trend's data and my real data), to me it's not worth the price (savings) of EV admission.

[carseatsm5]

Tesla Cybertruck gets less than 80% of advertised range in YouTuber’s test

100% to zero in 254 miles. Advertised as 320-mile range. Not exactly great.

https://nypost.com/2024/01/05/busine...ertised-range/

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

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This is how me and my wife get away from aging. We save $$$$$$$$. I can fuel up my G82 and have tons of fun.

I have never claim I am doing anything to help the world because driving any car itself is not saving the earth anything. I believe anyone who claim they are helping the world should stop doing most thing and live as simple as possible. I am seeing no one on this forum is living as simple as a person can be.

I live in a 200 year old house (on average - parts were built in the mid 1700's, mid-1800's and mid 1900's). I own 40 acres of mostly virgin forest (only around 5 acres are cleared). And my 5-car fleet averages are 15.6 years old and 169,211 miles; take out the 18-month old Bronco and the numbers change to 19 years old and 209,528 miles on average. I live on well and sceptic (recycled resources). I spend about $300 on clothes every few years. I DON'T keep my house at 50 deg. F (sorry); running the furnace about 12 hours a day keeps it at 70 deg. (maybe) .

I don't even own a watch.

Do I pass?

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Just for grins

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

The Motor Trend data for the Model 3 RWD vs. the Accord indicates a 2-cent energy savings for the Tesla. Considering the minimal fuel cost savings an EV would provide against the tradeoff of range anxiety and public refueling compromises (both Motor Trend's data and my real data), to me it's not worth the price (savings) of EV admission.

Almost no car is a zero cost of ownership. Accounting for a lot of ancillary expenses like maintenance, replacement of wear items like tires, insurance, depreciation, cost of recycling, etc. The EV starts to come up even shorter. I'm not even addressing the EV battery environmental damage because for some reason most EV owner seem obvious to the damage to the planet for their dalliance. But hey it is fast.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

The Belgian government has ordered 92 'Electric BYD buses in China, and they can order 408 additional buses from BYD China.
The FKN idiots !
Meanwhile , in the Belgian bus factory Van Hool , 1500 workers are unemployed !

More good news:
China’s premier automaker, BYD, financially backed by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), is now the world’s biggest seller of Electric Vehicles (EVs)
BYD and other Chinese automakers are hoping to flood the U.S. market with cheap, subsidized EVs to sell to Americans who are turned off by Tesla EVs and their high prices.
BYD owns its own battery supply chain too, helping margins even as the cost of the materials needed to make its cars has increased.
Alliance for American Manufacturing (AAM) President Scott Paul has previously called BYD “an arm of China’s military and government” because of the automaker’s direct ties to the CCP and the billions in subsidies it enjoys.

What could possibly go wrong. BYD the new Huawei

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Almost no car is a zero cost of ownership. Accounting for a lot of ancillary expenses like maintenance, replacement of wear items like tires, insurance, depreciation, cost of recycling, etc. The EV starts to come up even shorter. I'm not even addressing the EV battery environmental damage because for some reason most EV owner seem obvious to the damage to the planet for their dalliance. But hey it is fast.

But the environmentalists* count the healthcare "costs" of breathing ICE exhaust as part of their cost calculations between ICEV/EV.

*I think we should use the correct term "climatementalists" (I'm coining it here and now!). Most people care about keeping the environment clean and unpolluted as possible. I think fit that "environmentalist" definition.

[Car-Addicted]

More things you didn't expect.
Virginia Passes “Right To Charge” at Condos & HOAs
The legislation prohibits HOAs, condominium associations and cooperatives from prohibiting the installation of an electric vehicle charging station in a resident’s designated parking space. The bill sets a certain framework including requiring the EV owner to pay for the electricity plus the cost of the installation of the charging stations.
Joins New York, Florida, Colorado, California, Oregon & Hawaii in Right to Charge
https://pluginsites.org/virginia-pas...t-condos-hoas/

Who Pays for Electric Car Charging Stations?
If your HOA plans to install one or more charging stations, you must make sure to have room in the budget for them. On average, the cost to install electric car charging stations can range from $850 to $2,200 per piece. Some even go for as much as $4,500 a pop.
There is also the question of maintenance and who should pay for them. One option is to include the maintenance costs in the computation of HOA dues. But, that would mean dividing the costs among all homeowners — even the ones who don’t use the charging station.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

More things you didn't expect.
Virginia Passes “Right To Charge” at Condos & HOAs
The legislation prohibits HOAs, condominium associations and cooperatives from prohibiting the installation of an electric vehicle charging station in a resident’s designated parking space. The bill sets a certain framework including requiring the EV owner to pay for the electricity plus the cost of the installation of the charging stations.
Joins New York, Florida, Colorado, California, Oregon & Hawaii in Right to Charge
https://pluginsites.org/virginia-pas...t-condos-hoas/

Who Pays for Electric Car Charging Stations?
If your HOA plans to install one or more charging stations, you must make sure to have room in the budget for them. On average, the cost to install electric car charging stations can range from $850 to $2,200 per piece. Some even go for as much as $4,500 a pop.
There is also the question of maintenance and who should pay for them. One option is to include the maintenance costs in the computation of HOA dues. But, that would mean dividing the costs among all homeowners — even the ones who don’t use the charging station.

Back in the day I was trying to convince my former employer to install EV chargers at the building they moved us into (the old building we were moved out of at the time we moved was installing EV chargers because it was LEEDS compliant). IIRC it was about $8K to $10K a charger to get the power to the parking spaces, install the EVSE and mark the spaces as EV charging only.

$4,500 is around 45,000 miles of fuel cost for an ICEV at $3.30/gal and 35 MPG. That's a 3 - 4 year payback. Nice legislation, but I think it really goes nowhere.

[Car-Addicted]

Yes powering up a 50 amp outlet in your garage for a level two charger is likely child's play compared to remote EV charging station with under ground boring, under ground cabling and the joy of vandalism. I can't even keep a mail box ding free out in the country. A street or parking lot EV charging station with copper wire will not make 30 days.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I can only say that I take that with a pinch of salt. Living in a house at 10C most of the winter time would age us twice as fast ..I mean come on, you're having a laugh.

Lol, I try it for a day and of course it doesn't work well. I told myself I cannot be a climate fearer or be a person who call himself/herself a world saver. At least I try and I am honest to myself. However kids love it, my neighbour love it (the hot tub part). They want it everyday.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

it would actually slow the aging process...he may be on to somehting


it's comical that someone would actually live like that so they can afford a BMW

I have 3 BMW and I can afford an expensive winter sport and have fun travel all over the world to play. Who need to have everything in the world.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

Seriously, 10C is 50F. (I keep our house warmer than that when I'm away for the winter and the house is empty, when we're home I keep our house at 20C (68F). That is comfortable, we get winter so even if I did keep my house at 10C my furnace would be running several hours a day.

You live in Vancouver so really a whole other kettle of fish when you're discussing winter, hell it rarely goes below 0C (32F) in winter.

This is the temperature in the winter time when I go snowboarding. Yes, it is cold but it is fun too.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I live in a 200 year old house (on average - parts were built in the mid 1700's, mid-1800's and mid 1900's). I own 40 acres of mostly virgin forest (only around 5 acres are cleared). And my 5-car fleet averages are 15.6 years old and 169,211 miles; take out the 18-month old Bronco and the numbers change to 19 years old and 209,528 miles on average. I live on well and sceptic (recycled resources). I spend about $300 on clothes every few years. I DON'T keep my house at 50 deg. F (sorry); running the furnace about 12 hours a day keeps it at 70 deg. (maybe) .

I don't even own a watch.

Do I pass?

Send me your address. My whole family are moving

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

More good news:
China’s premier automaker, BYD, financially backed by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), is now the world’s biggest seller of Electric Vehicles (EVs)
BYD and other Chinese automakers are hoping to flood the U.S. market with cheap, subsidized EVs to sell to Americans who are turned off by Tesla EVs and their high prices.
BYD owns its own battery supply chain too, helping margins even as the cost of the materials needed to make its cars has increased.
Alliance for American Manufacturing (AAM) President Scott Paul has previously called BYD “an arm of China’s military and government” because of the automaker’s direct ties to the CCP and the billions in subsidies it enjoys.

What could possibly go wrong. BYD the new Huawei

Watch out, the China gov. may put the spy device on the cars. They will know where you go, where you have affair with, even where and when you take a dump.