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The same way tens of thousands of blue collar factory workers have worked with their employers to get CNC certified.
To work the jobs that the robots/CNCs took over. Take the CHIPS Act that just passed. Tons of new jobs in the south, where labor revolution is needed. Cash influxes, training, all to make tech that we don't have here. How do you get people to pursue qualification, training, or education in the power field that needs labor? The same way McDonalds somehow stays open: they up how much they'll pay the cooks and the invisible hand of economics (Economics 101, duh) ushers in new fry-oil experts. Stating that upping wages will never solve the problem is categorically false. Eventually, the money brings the labor. How long it takes to bring qualified labor is the question; you have to be paying well enough for long enough to entice anyone to pursue.
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"lemming states" is relative. We will see who will be the ones jumping off the cliff by not keeping up. Who knows, maybe 2035 will work, and those who have gone through 13 years of growing pains will be ready for an EV majority public, have infrastructure that can handle the load, and plenty of charging options. Then there are the "lemming states" who don't have the grid capacity, little charging options, and have to deal with low ICE inventory because most manufacturers have switched to primarily EVs.
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You're missing the point of the metaphor if you are asking this question, they still need the water.
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You have <13 years to be done with this transition, when do you plan on starting their training? |
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Getting left behind, in my opinion, would pose a much greater risk to the people of those states than being a resident of one of the states that pursues EVs and fails (realistically, failure isn't an option and the dates will just slide to the right).
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There aren't infinite software engineering jobs to 'program video games', lol. I know a lot of them, and they all make $150k+, and it's an incredibly difficult field to break into. Simple supply and demand means there won't be a million software engineers out there, jobless, who should've pursued infrastructure. Sounds like your company might have to make the painful shift to apprenticeships to prepare its neophytes for the entrance exam. Invest in the new generation, reap the rewards of not needing labor.
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There aren't an infinite number of electrical workers either. Would you even want to become an electrical worker? few do it seems. You chose your vocation for reasons that mean something to you. Was it money or something else? While You may think you can turn a coal miner into a computer programmer by throwing money on a table, you can't expect it to happen quickly, or go smoothly. |
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https://www.detroitnews.com/story/bu...n/10372794002/
From 2 hours ago: "You all are going to be part of a network of 500,000 charging stations ... installed by the IBEW (labor union), who I owe a special thanks to for the last election," the Democratic president said. Biden added: "The great American road trip is going to be fully electrified whether you're driving along the coast ... or on I-75 here in Michigan." Grandad is talkin' about changes to infrastructure.
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About 50% of my career choice was because of what I liked to do as a kid. The other 50% were purely driven by the fact that I wanted a house before age 30 in California and a BMW M3, and the jobs filtered themselves out. The average person weighs their loves, their intellect and what they think they're capable of, and their salary targets and chooses a profession. I have a friend who, from the day I met them in high school, never had any aspirations outside of being a Subaru dealership mechanic. And here he is, doing that. If I were some CEO/COO/CFO, I'd be taking a hard look at why no one wants my company after high school, community college, trades, university, etc.
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Do you know the history of how the periodic table was pieced together. It's a good example of how we can figure some interesting and complicated shit out. Really worth reading about. Yes, that's a tangent. |
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Crops still need water. Can't go back in time.
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So plant the crops and expect a miracle? "Don't worry, the engineers will find the water for my crops"? "I already planted them so now they will be highly motivated to find it if they expect to eat".
That's not just irresponsible, it's magical thinking. This is why I call it an invented crisis. Not because I don't believe the planet needs these changes, but because the timeline is forced and in error, and will cause unnecessary suffering if we try to comply with the mandate as written. |
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Many elements exist in theory just fine, but in reality are highly unstable and decompose rapidly and violently when brought into actual existence. This can be predicted and anticipated without having got "try it" with simple calculations, and is at present, is unavoidable.
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I don't know the timeline is in error, but at least we can agree that there needs to be a change.
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It brings up the question about why the crops were planted there in the first place without a plan to water them. The obvious answer is that a plan needs developed, but that's not the solution, it's just a step in the right direction. Without a plan, you are just risking everyone's food supply. poor planning rarely results in good results. Quote:
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I've seen it too many times in my business. My team says something is not possible, and I come up with a game plan that they didn't consider and make it possible.
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lol no... but the military often functions like this with varying degrees of success.
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