F1 2022: Bahrain GP - Sakhir (March 20)

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by F87source

That's funny because I don't ever remember seeing you being right.

Don't forget this is just a meeting to discuss a potential mirror war, not Mercedes being illegal like you implied it to be.



That's because the mirror sits on the side impact structure, which is a Carbon cone surrounded by an aero shroud. Maybe instead of speculating you should refer to the engineers breaking down the w13, it would greatly decrease the amount of misinformation you two spread. It actually seems like most of the allegations you two put out are all speculatory, and not based in fact but emotional hate towards Mercedes.

Eg: the front wings being too high was the prime example you two dont post based on fact, but based on emotions.



I'm well aware of the so called mirror war, I've spoken about it before you even knew what it was and thought it was all about the Merc being illegal...

Simple questions,then what's with the wing on top, the bar in front of it and the mini winglets just behind the mirror. I refer you to what Binotto and Horner have said already and someone on a clip saying he's an engineer saying this and that is speculation.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

I wouldn't say scathing (journo's hyping) but uncomfortably true for Wolff.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Simple questions,then what's with the wing on top, the bar in front of it and the mini winglets just behind the mirror. I refer you to what Binotto and Horner have said already and someone on a clip saying he's an engineer saying this and that is speculation.

The giant "axe" is the crash structure. The winglets itself are aero bits, but the regulations specifically say if you have one winglet attached to the mirror the rest of the winglets are considered part of the mirror stay and there are no regulations against such a thing.


The flap on top of the mirror is an aero faring, every car has that redbull included.


You can watch Kyle break it down, and talk about the legality boxes.


Like I said before binotto and Horner are against the aero war that can be waged from each team trying to smash a bunch of time and money into developing these winglets that can be part of the mirror stay. Horner and binotto never said it was illegal as it isn't, they said it was against the spirit of the regulations which means we don't want to have to develop similar things to compete due to costs and hence an aero war.

[Bubbles]

Otmar wasn’t holding back on his thoughts about Papa Stroll. Good to hear a candid discussion about him leaving/released from Aston Martin. Exhibited a very Bottas-like relief to be at Alpine.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Simple questions,then what's with the wing on top, the bar in front of it and the mini winglets just behind the mirror. I refer you to what Binotto and Horner have said already and someone on a clip saying he's an engineer saying this and that is speculation.

This will explain everything you need to know about the legality of the w13:

Regarding the teams meeting about the mirror war, that's completely different than a legality meeting or protest. This will determine if teams will be allowed to pursue aggressive developments of the mirror mounting for aero gains.

[tdott]

Originally Posted by F87source

That's funny because I don't ever remember seeing you being right.

Maybe instead of speculating you should refer to the engineers breaking down the w13, it would greatly decrease the amount of misinformation you two spread. It actually seems like most of the allegations you two put out are all speculatory, and not based in fact but emotional hate towards Mercedes.

[irunalot]

Some more testing analysis while we wait for the first race! 😀

[F87source]

Originally Posted by irunalot

Some more testing analysis while we wait for the first race! 😀

I've been waiting for this! The first video was all about the Merc side pods, legality, and their struggles. So another great thing to watch if you question Mercs legality and don't understand how the side impact structures work.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by F87source

This will explain everything you need to know about the legality of the w13:





Regarding the teams meeting about the mirror war, that's completely different than a legality meeting or protest. This will determine if teams will be allowed to pursue aggressive developments of the mirror mounting for aero gains.

*I sense you may be getting a little worried about the TAC meeting concerning Mercs mirrors, to the layman they look illegal big time.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

*I sense you may be getting a little worried about the TAC meeting concerning Mercs mirrors, to the layman they look illegal big time.

I'm not worried about anything, I don't care if the entire mercedes gets banned. The reason why they look illegal to the layman is because they are so radically different to the other teams, and no one reads the sporting regulations, and also people like to hate on mercedes because they are the only team innovating and pushing the limits - everyone else sits back and plays it conservatively (look at the past 8 years in the turbo hybrid era, who brought the most game changing developments to the table, it was mercedes).


I'm saying within the current rules and regulations the w13 is legal as it stands. If the teams vote to ban aero parts on the mirrors then i'm pretty sure the only few things that will change on the w13 are:

1) the little aero strakes (carbon sticky uppy bits on the side impact crash structure will be removed, side impact structure will remain). So alpha tauri will be affected in this regard too.

2) the mirror will have to be mounted on its own mount and not directly onto the side impact structure as it is now.

3) the aero faring will likely remain, as all teams employ its use to help out the mirror shape and allow it to be more aerodynamically favorable.


Overall nothing major will change on the w13, it's not going to do too much to the w13's design in terms of the side pods or side impact structure (which is in the same area on all other cars except it is under the side pod cover).

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Fliplegend

I'm kidding. Just wearing my tin foil hat. I just think this would be something Merc would do. We know they sandbag. We know they innovate. For all we know, they cheat (which in this sport is kind of normal and they simply call it "pushing the envelope"). Now they have such a different car from everyone else and they may have some technology that they really want to protect so wing mirrors would be an easy way to detract.

The Trojan horse...

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

The Trojan horse...

Before Max is 28 he could already be halfway then to matching HAM's run of championships.
Max has said he's quite happy and looking forward to Saturday quali.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

That's funny because I don't ever remember seeing you being right.

You must be kidding ?

"February '2021"

•I said that MAX would beat HAM in 2021 , and MAX would be the new 2021 F1 World Champion !
• And HAM would sink like a brick in the water ..

•Last winter HAM disappeared like a brick in the water and MAX was/Is World Champion !

Amen ...

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Before Max is 28 he could already be halfway then to matching HAM's run of championships.
Max has said he's quite happy and looking forward to Saturday quali.

Of course ... Max is always ready to beat a fashion drama queen .

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

You must be kidding ?

"February '2021"

•I said that MAX would beat HAM in 2021 , and MAX would be the new 2021 F1 World Champion !
• And HAM would sink like a brick in the water ..

•Last winter HAM disappeared like a brick in the water and MAX was/Is World Champion !

Amen ...

Youve predicted max would win every year and this was the first time he won. So that's more of a gamble based on emotions rather than solid fact. That's also not about the cars it's about a driver.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Of course ... Max is always ready to beat a fashion drama queen .

I'm guessing tartan jodhpurs for HAM when he turns up for practice, far too early to have orange ones heheh

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

Youve predicted max would win every year and this was the first time he won. So that's more of a gamble based on emotions rather than solid fact. That's also not about the cars it's about a driver.

I always take your predictions as fantasies , that's why I'm never wrong

[M5Rick]

I'm off, be thinking of chemical cooling and mirror mounts to lull me off to sleep

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I'm off, be thinking of chemical cooling and mirror mounts to lull me off to sleep

But you will dream of this mate

[M3WC]

Ferrari almost went with the no sidepods, they didn't like the results in the wind tunnel.

In Maranello the configuration of the mini-sidepods was studied, put in the wind tunnel in a comparison with the side hollowed out in the upper part and the result was noticed to favour a car with more volume than the no-look ones.

Ferrari, therefore, in the first phase of the single-seater development work could take advantage of its sinuous shapes: the partial loss of downforce due to the lifting of the floor from the track to avoid bouncing, seems to be partly compensated by the load and the sidepods are able to produce.

[M3WC]

Binotto (Ferrari): "Our engine at the level of the competition, perhaps even more powerful"

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

But you will dream of this mate

Who doesn't, tho I don't need to dream about that I got it already...the F car will come after lottery win