F1 2023: US GP - Austin (Oct 22)

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Some say that the boos at Austin were directed at the Texas governor but whatever, Kelly was unimpressed and Max said whether the boos were directed at him or someone else did not bother him at all.
https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/10...and-prix-boos/

Just unleash the 'Belgian Malinois security dogs my friend ...(We saw the dogs at COTA)
And the boos would be very quiet !

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Too Funny ...'

Look my friend, Wolff must be the butt of all the jokes at the UK Merc main hq in, wait for it...
Milton Keynes

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Just unleash the 'Belgian Malinois security dogs my friend ...(We saw the dogs at COTA)
And the boos would be very quiet !

And if any get through, Lions have HUGE sharp teeth and claws to rip any of them apart

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Sure , But with this RB19 setup/package it was just normal ...'

As we know the RB19 had to run with a higher suspension setup to avoid floor-plank damamage at the bumpy COTA track .
So , the RB19 setup/package was according to the FIA floor regulations , that's why the RB19 wasn't/Isn't DQF.
But......'

By the RB19's higher suspension setup , it was required to run with a huge rear wing to get the nessesary downforce .
And that made the RB19 slower than LEW's W14 with the cheating 2024 test-floor who was sitting extremely (too)!low .
On top of that and as know , MAX brakes (brake pads) really s@cked throughout the whole race and that cooked his tyres too !

As I said : It's a small miracle that MAX managed to bring it home and even win this race .
Let us not forget that MAX started at P6 with a bad RB19 !
Ohhhh....Man ! What a driver !

#UnLeashTheLion

Likely speed delta = ride height/plank wear advantage + VER brake issues.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Just unleash the 'Belgian Malinois security dogs my friend ...(We saw the dogs at COTA)
And the boos would be very quiet !

Apart from the boo hoos I'm wondering if the 'Professor' will be attending the Hermanos Rodrigues circuit as Max is almost certain to equal Prost's 51 win tally there.

[dfox]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Jo Bauer ain't just "some guy". He took over the job from the late Charlie Whiting in 1997 when the latter was appointed as Race Director.

Drivers would go nuts if the already discomforting porpoising would equally trigger some sort of 'plank alert' during each hump.

I mean... just because he's been there for a while doesn't mean it's not still up to the judgement of one person, and people are fallible.

After this race, 50% of the sampled cars were disqualified. Seems absolutely crazy to me as an engineer that more cars weren't sampled after that failure rate.

And it doesn't need to alert the driver, just something easy to check at the end of the race. Heck, a two layered piece of wood with one piece dyed red and the outer one not would be easy enough for them to visually check every car... mirror on a stick, see red, and there's an issue to justify further investigation.

And really, this should be a flag not only for teams to better check their cars and ride height, but also to FIA to make sure teams have adequate time to set up their cars, and also for race circuits to provide a reasonable level of smoothness to the track... doesn't have to be perfect, but that was one bumpy track...

[M5Rick]

Race re-run highlights

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by dfox

I mean... just because he's been there for a while doesn't mean it's not still up to the judgement of one person, and people are fallible.
After this race, 50% of the sampled cars were disqualified. Seems absolutely crazy to me as an engineer that more cars weren't sampled after that failure rate.
And it doesn't need to alert the driver, just something easy to check at the end of the race. Heck, a two layered piece of wood with one piece dyed red and the outer one not would be easy enough for them to visually check every car... mirror on a stick, see red, and there's an issue to justify further investigation.
And really, this should be a flag not only for teams to better check their cars and ride height, but also to FIA to make sure teams have adequate time to set up their cars, and also for race circuits to provide a reasonable level of smoothness to the track... doesn't have to be perfect, but that was one bumpy track...

It's been like that for ages. Due to time-constraints it's practically impossible to run all checks on every F1 car. Samples are taken. Those who get caught get a penalty, setting an example for all to refrain from violating the applicable rules. It makes sense that the Technical Delegate decided to check the cars of the pole sitter + the podium finishers. But to ensure that everyone abides, he won't always select those cars for testing.

Same goes for doping control in many sports: practically impossible to test every participant - those who cheat with banned substances play Russian Roulette.

However, mass DSQ ain't impossible. It happened last August: after checking trackers, a whopping ±11K out of 30K marathon runners were DSQ'd ("unsportsmanlike attitude during the event" - use of vehicles and public transport to reduce the length of the endurance challenge):
https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports...d448b457e.html.

[dfox]

Originally Posted by Artemis

It's been like that for ages. Due to time-constraints it's practically impossible to run all checks on every F1 car. Samples are taken. Those who get caught get a penalty, setting an example for all to refrain from violating the applicable rules. It makes sense that the Technical Delegate decided to check the cars of the pole sitter + the podium finishers. But to ensure that everyone abides, he won't always select those cars for testing.

Yeah, I get it. Lots of regulations, can't police them all at the same time. This is just the talk of the moment. Hopefully they all figure it out drivers don't have to be disqualified after the race, because that's a bummer for everyone.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Apart from the boo hoos I'm wondering if the 'Professor' will be attending the Hermanos Rodrigues circuit as Max is almost certain to equal Prost's 51 win tally there.

Good, I hope all of Prost's records disappear into obscurity.

[G30M]

apparently Yuki thinks he's as good as Max
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formu...unoda-31183389

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by g21

apparently Yuki thinks he's as good as Max
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formu...unoda-31183389

Yeah . But the little Japanese ran the fastest lap at COTA and he's faster than RIC !

はい

[G30M]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

I don't understand this argument. The ONLY reason he had a good race was because his car was illegal. If he had been legal he would have been back where Rus was.

only 4 cars were checked and 50% of those were DQd.
if you roughly extrapolate, then it's possible around 50% of the field would be DQd if their cars were also checked

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Jo Bauer ain't just "some guy". He took over the job from the late Charlie Whiting in 1997 when the latter was appointed as Race Director.

Drivers would go nuts if the already discomforting porpoising would equally trigger some sort of 'plank alert' during each hump.

were these 2 video clips from the last race? the Ferrari was pretty bouncy!

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by g21

were these 2 video clips from the last race? the Ferrari was pretty bouncy!

No. From the porpoising galore days.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by g21

only 4 cars were checked and 50% of those were DQd.
if you roughly extrapolate, then it's possible around 50% of the field would be DQd if their cars were also checked

Ferrari and Mercedes are fighting for #2 in the WCC. WCC is where the money is to be found for teams. Mercedes (#2 with 344 points) can still be overtaken by Ferrari (#3 with 322 points). A DNF or DSQ by any of the four drivers during any of the 4 races and Brazil Sprint should be avoided by all means.

Also in the WDC, some Ferrari and Mercedes feathers can still be ruffled in the final stage of the season. Sainz (#5 with 171 WDC points) is now closer to Hamilton (#3 with 201 points) than Hamilton is to Perez (240). Ferrari could ask Leclerc to assist Sainz in the uphill battle of snatching #3 away from Hamilton. Old fox Alonso is also still on the prowl (#4 with 183 points). Yet another 0 points for Hamilton could make Hamilton lose P3 in the WDC. So Hamilton better should be cautious with ambitious overtaking maneuvers. He deserves respect for giving his level best to get the #2 spot in the WDC.

With the stakes getting further raised for Ferrari and Mercedes at this stage of the season, it doesn't come as a complete surprise that both teams went out of scope with cars set-up. Maybe they were the only ones. Officially only the Leclerc and Hamilton cars failed to comply.

Let's see how the Ferrari and Mercedes cars perform during the next races compared to the Red Bulls and the McLarens. Can they still keep up with the Red Bulls and McLarens as they managed to do during the COTA race ?

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Sure , But with this RB19 setup/package it was just normal ...'

As we know the RB19 had to run with a higher suspension setup to avoid floor-plank damamage at the bumpy COTA track .
So , the RB19 setup/package was according to the FIA floor regulations , that's why the RB19 wasn't/Isn't DQF.
But......'

By the RB19's higher suspension setup , it was required to run with a huge rear wing to get the nessesary downforce .
And that made the RB19 slower than LEW's W14 with the cheating 2024 test-floor who was sitting extremely (too)!low .
On top of that and as know , MAX brakes (brake pads) really s@cked throughout the whole race and that cooked his tyres too !

As I said : It's a small miracle that MAX managed to bring it home and even win this race .
Let us not forget that MAX started at P6 with a bad RB19 !
Ohhhh....Man ! What a driver !

#UnLeashTheLion

Yes, likely the slowest pace for the RB19 this year.

Il campione Max Emilian guida senza freni. Ongelofelijk

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Good, I hope all of Prost's records disappear into obscurity.

You're not a fan of the Prof' I gather

[M5Rick]

Well it makes a change seing the underside of a Merc with Checo showing the RB one quite often.

@ 0.07

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

Yes, likely the slowest pace for the RB19 this year.

Il campione Max Emilian guida senza freni. Ongelofelijk

Yes mate . As you said : Even without brakes , MAX is (Ongelofelijk) incredible !

Awesome , thanks for that mate

Dit is nog maar het begin....'

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Ferrari and Mercedes are fighting for #2 in the WCC. WCC is where the money is to be found for teams. Mercedes (#2 with 344 points) can still be overtaken by Ferrari (#3 with 322 points). A DNF or DSQ by any of the four drivers during any of the 4 races and Brazil Sprint should be avoided by all means.

Also in the WDC, some Ferrari and Mercedes feathers can still be ruffled in the final stage of the season. Sainz (#5 with 171 WDC points) is now closer to Hamilton (#3 with 201 points) than Hamilton is to Perez (240). Ferrari could ask Leclerc to assist Sainz in the uphill battle of snatching #3 away from Hamilton. Old fox Alonso is also still on the prowl (#4 with 183 points). Yet another 0 points for Hamilton could make Hamilton lose P3 in the WDC. So Hamilton better should be cautious with ambitious overtaking maneuvers. He deserves respect for giving his level best to get the #2 spot in the WDC.

With the stakes getting further raised for Ferrari and Mercedes at this stage of the season, it doesn't come as a complete surprise that both teams went out of scope with cars set-up. Maybe they were the only ones. Officially only the Leclerc and Hamilton cars failed to comply.

Let's see how the Ferrari and Mercedes cars perform during the next races compared to the Red Bulls and the McLarens. Can they still keep up with the Red Bulls and McLarens as they managed to do during the COTA race ?

With the plank rulings and DQ's it's looking that they will fall back from RB substantially, this is a huge blow for Merc and Ferrari and pushes the McLaren ahead.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

You're not a fan of the Prof' I gather

Alain Prost and Ex FISA boss Jean-Marie Balestre are two of the biggest A holes to ever craw out of France and that is a country that gave the world Charles de Gaulle.