F1 2024: Belgian GP - Spa-Francorchamps (July 28)

[G30M]

Originally Posted by lens

Today, I feel like a Ferrari fan.


Red Bull Racing is a joke.

They've lost me as a fan with that shitty decision, Perez has been costing them millions in development and important points, and they're keeping him instead of sticking literally anybody else who would do better.






He will never drive for RBR.

He's a Honda driver and Honda is leaving in 2026.

It would have been Dany Ric for half the season, Lawson in the VCARB.

But since they decided to keep perez....

it's to do with the internal power struggle

[Marcoose]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

A 18 years old MAX runs with a worthless car in the Brazilian rain (!)

Oh, Verstappen is very good in the rain. But you're cherry-picking an event going on 8 years ago to explain something that happened this weekend --apples and oranges much ?--, when yourself said it was the set up. You can be a diehard fan without contradicting yourself.

BTW, Senna was a far better driver in the rain.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Mate . We still feel your pain

A 18 years old MAX runs with a worthless car in the Brazilian rain (!)

It's ok...Ham is down in 4th in terms of win % because Max is within the holy trinity of Sch, Sen, and himself.

If they made the very bad move of letting Ham drive an F1 car at 17 this would have been the result.

Anyway, if you took the MB years of 2014-2021 out of Ham's career (where literally anyone who's ever even done a HPDE could win in with ease...absolutely ease) he won only 22 races out of 187 or 12% - and in those years he had the best or second best car every year. Max without nearly the same level of car for most of his years between 2016 and 2021 still won nearly 15% of races (22 out of 147) - only 1 of those years he had a decent car that was still not fastest. Ham simply is not that good when he doesnt have the best F1 car the sport has ever seen and when the competition is close - the last 3 years have proven that beyond any reasonable doubt since it is the same as what you saw earlier in his career with Mclaren and his first year with MB.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by G30M

That's what I'm reading.

Horner 3 Austria 0

Money talks.

"The Sergio Perez sponsor theory aiding Max Verstappen’s huge Red Bull salary
02 Jun 2024 6:30 PM
Max Verstappen’s Red Bull salary stretches the budget in a way which makes Sergio Perez very useful amid talk of a new contract coming.
That is the claim of Ralf Schumacher, who has identified the sponsorship money which Perez brings to Red Bull as a critical contributor towards the team’s budget.
Sergio Perez needed to cushion Max Verstappen Red Bull salary hit?
Perez first joined the Red Bull team back in 2021 and has since played his part in two Constructors’ title triumphs, with Red Bull chasing a third in F1 2024.
And it has been widely reported that a Red Bull contract extension for Perez is set to be announced, despite the Mexican racer being without a podium since the Chinese Grand Prix.
But according to Schumacher, the financial side is also important with Perez, as that helps Red Bull sustain their budget with three-time World Champion Verstappen’s salary to pay, Forbes valuing that at $70 million.
Speaking to Formel1.de, Schumacher said: “You shouldn’t forget, as long as Max Verstappen stays, that’s what I’ve heard at least once, the budget limits are relatively tight at Red Bull, and Perez brings money.”
Perez boasts sponsorship deals with the likes of Disney, Telcel, Mobil, Claro, Nescafé and KitKat."
https://www.planetf1.com/news/sergio...alf-schumacher

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Money talks.

"The Sergio Perez sponsor theory aiding Max Verstappen’s huge Red Bull salary
02 Jun 2024 6:30 PM
Max Verstappen’s Red Bull salary stretches the budget in a way which makes Sergio Perez very useful amid talk of a new contract coming.
That is the claim of Ralf Schumacher, who has identified the sponsorship money which Perez brings to Red Bull as a critical contributor towards the team’s budget.
Sergio Perez needed to cushion Max Verstappen Red Bull salary hit?
Perez first joined the Red Bull team back in 2021 and has since played his part in two Constructors’ title triumphs, with Red Bull chasing a third in F1 2024.
And it has been widely reported that a Red Bull contract extension for Perez is set to be announced, despite the Mexican racer being without a podium since the Chinese Grand Prix.
But according to Schumacher, the financial side is also important with Perez, as that helps Red Bull sustain their budget with three-time World Champion Verstappen’s salary to pay, Forbes valuing that at $70 million.
Speaking to Formel1.de, Schumacher said: “You shouldn’t forget, as long as Max Verstappen stays, that’s what I’ve heard at least once, the budget limits are relatively tight at Red Bull, and Perez brings money.”
Perez boasts sponsorship deals with the likes of Disney, Telcel, Mobil, Claro, Nescafé and KitKat."
https://www.planetf1.com/news/sergio...alf-schumacher

It's all about the $$$$$$

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Money talks.

"The Sergio Perez sponsor theory aiding Max Verstappen’s huge Red Bull salary
02 Jun 2024 6:30 PM
Max Verstappen’s Red Bull salary stretches the budget in a way which makes Sergio Perez very useful amid talk of a new contract coming.
That is the claim of Ralf Schumacher, who has identified the sponsorship money which Perez brings to Red Bull as a critical contributor towards the team’s budget.
Sergio Perez needed to cushion Max Verstappen Red Bull salary hit?
Perez first joined the Red Bull team back in 2021 and has since played his part in two Constructors’ title triumphs, with Red Bull chasing a third in F1 2024.
And it has been widely reported that a Red Bull contract extension for Perez is set to be announced, despite the Mexican racer being without a podium since the Chinese Grand Prix.
But according to Schumacher, the financial side is also important with Perez, as that helps Red Bull sustain their budget with three-time World Champion Verstappen’s salary to pay, Forbes valuing that at $70 million.
Speaking to Formel1.de, Schumacher said: “You shouldn’t forget, as long as Max Verstappen stays, that’s what I’ve heard at least once, the budget limits are relatively tight at Red Bull, and Perez brings money.”
Perez boasts sponsorship deals with the likes of Disney, Telcel, Mobil, Claro, Nescafé and KitKat."
https://www.planetf1.com/news/sergio...alf-schumacher

I don't believe that RB, with all the money in the world, cannot find cash to pay Max. It's a smoke screen.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by G30M

I don't believe that RB, with all the money in the world, cannot find cash to pay Max. It's a smoke screen.

But it's free money + Slim money...Why use RB money

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

It's ok...Ham is down in 4th in terms of win % because Max is within the holy trinity of Sch, Sen, and himself.

If they made the very bad move of letting Ham drive an F1 car at 17 this would have been the result.

Anyway, if you took the MB years of 2014-2021 out of Ham's career he won only 22 races out of 187 or 12% - and in those years he had the best or second best car every year. Max without nearly the same level of car for most of his years between 2016 and 2021 still won nearly 15% of races - only 1 of those years he had a decent car that was still not fastest. Ham simply is not that good when he doesnt have the best F1 car the sport has ever seen.

If you cheerypick stats, to make Max look better, he looks better

[Marcoose]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

If you cheerypick stats, to make Max look better, he looks better

7 championships, arguably 8, most wins, most poles, and some are still arguing Hamilton is only good when all stars align. Go figure. He beat Alonso on his maiden season. Alonso !

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

It's all about the $$$$$$

Yeah . In other words : The Mexican KitKat money arrived just in time (again)! to save Checo's A$$ after the summer break.

But I really wonder who paid for Checo's $3.5 Million crash damage (so far) ?

As far as I know , the Red Bull Team got in 2023 for the constructors world title $185 Million (!)
I'm pretty sure ,that's a lot of Mexican KitKats my friend.

The Red Bull Team will lose the constructors title because Checo drives like a Fking idiot.

I doesn't make sense and I just don't get it ...

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

7 championships, arguably 8, most wins, most poles, and some are still arguing Hamilton is only good when all stars align. Go figure. He beat Alonso on his maiden season. Alonso !

Mate . Just wait for 2025 when LEW drives an Italian Ferrari ...

If I were you, I'd just be patient to see how LEW completely fails (!)

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

7 championships, arguably 8, most wins, most poles, and some are still arguing Hamilton is only good when all stars align. Go figure. He beat Alonso on his maiden season. Alonso !

The way this chat (and generally Formula1 in general) that Ham is average, Alonso actually is a better driver (not sure how...) and Max is a once in millennia talent that was already wheel to wheel with Ham at 18.

[Rono63]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Yeah . In other words : The Mexican KitKat money arrived just in time (again)! to save Checo's A$$ after the summer break.

But I really wonder who paid for Checo's $3.5 Million crash damage (so far) ?

As far as I know , the Red Bull Team got in 2023 for the constructors world title $185 Million (!)
I'm pretty sure ,that's a lot of Mexican KitKats my friend.

The Red Bull Team will lose the constructors title because Checo drives like a Fking idiot.

I doesn't make sense and I just don't get it ...

CH has made a lot of McLaren fans happy 😃

[Marcoose]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Mate . Just wait for 2025 when LEW drives an Italian Ferrari ...

If I were you, I'd just be patient to see how LEW completely fails (!)

I'm not sure Hamilton will do well at Ferrari next year. By the way the competition is mounting, I'm no longer sure Verstappen will do well either.

Both are excellent drivers. Actually, on numbers, Hamilton is better.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Rono63

CH has made a lot of McLaren fans happy 😃

McLaren fans need to stock up on tissues because McLaren team gets their strategy from Ferrari

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

I'm not sure Hamilton will do well at Ferrari next year.

But he'll be happy, he gets to drive all the Ferraris he want and not to mention the $$$ and the new Ferraris he gets to buy.

It's not all about winning, though winning is a good.

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Mate . Just wait for 2025 when LEW drives an Italian Ferrari ...

If I were you, I'd just be patient to see how LEW completely fails (!)

You do know that HAM is playing with house money? The only way HAM “fails” as you put it, is if Mercedes wins either or both drivers or constructors titles after he’s gone. Worse case, it would be a parallel move. Everything else, HAM just further solidifying his career and stat padding for F1 history books at Ferrari - there’s literally nothing left for HAM to prove.

Everyone trying to turn this transfer into a negative like Mercedes is still this unbeatable powerhouse that he’s leaving.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

I'm not sure Hamilton will do well at Ferrari next year. By the way the competition is mounting, I'm no longer sure Verstappen will do well either.

Both are excellent drivers. Actually, on numbers, Hamilton is better.

Ham has also raced for 10 years longer than Max - I'd hope his number were better especially when 8 of those years he had the single fastest car F1 has ever seen (any decent driver from ANY series would have done what he did and in a case like Max, he would have done better) and in all but 1 of the other seasons, he had either the best or second best car. The stats prove that aside from the cheating scandal with Renault, and his years with MB, when there was actually competition and parity in the sport, he has struggled mightily to win. In those roughly 170 races he has only 15 wins across 9 seasons. Max has more wins from 2016-2021 and never had the best car in any of those seasons - roughly, on average, the 3rd best . At the same point in both careers, Max's numbers are better. And he has not had nearly the dominant level car which tells you quite a bit.

[Marcoose]

Originally Posted by G30M

But he'll be happy, he gets to drive all the Ferraris he want and not to mention the $$$ and the new Ferraris he gets to buy.

It's not all about winning, though winning is a good.

Roger that. Any happier he’ll be shi77ing rainbows.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

Roger that. Any happier he’ll the shi77ing rainbows.

well he was crying after winning the in Merc in Silverstone coz he knew he had to leave to a slower car lol

but he'll be happy to have Ferraris in his garage, i'd love to have Ferraris in my garage

i don't need to be paid to have Ferraris in my garage, but he gets paid to have Ferraris in his garage!

[Marcoose]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

Ham has also raced for 10 years longer than Max - I'd hope his number were better especially when 8 of those years he had the single fastest car F1 has ever seen (any decent driver from ANY series would have done what he did and in a case like Max, he would have done better) and in all but 1 of the other seasons, he had either the best or second best car. The stats prove that aside from the cheating scandal with Renault, and his years with MB, when there was actually competition and parity in the sport, he has struggled mightily to win. In those roughly 170 races he has only 15 wins across 9 seasons. Max has more wins from 2016-2021 and never had the best car in any of those seasons - roughly, on average, the 3rd best . At the same point in both careers, Max's numbers are better. And he has not had nearly the dominant level car which tells you quite a bit.

FYI, Hamilton won his first GP at his 6th attempt. And racing against 2-time champion Alonso. I wonder how many GPs you’ve won. I bet a big ole goose egg.

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by G30M

But he'll be happy, he gets to drive all the Ferraris he want and not to mention the $$$ and the new Ferraris he gets to buy.

It's not all about winning, though winning is a good.

Buy? Guaranteed if and when HAM wins his first race with Ferrari, they will gift him the race car at the end of the season along with whatever the latest road Ferrari is available.

Being a Ferrari ambassador has to have certain perks, no?