Michigan teen kills friend in 105 mph crash

[cooolone2]

The problem is trying to place blame on others... A particular and interesting issue among a group of people who just cannot accept laying fault with the person commiting the act!

An age old problem, should we go back to the days of a kid taking the horse out of the barn for a quick run? Youth... Many forego the thought of consequence! But hey, must be someone else that caused this, why don't we go after the grandparents too? How about teachers (if any) and others we may identify as being Influencing to their lives! Studies had been done some time ago to disprove the old TV shows and even video games having causation in formulating young brains and those trying to lay blame on them for shaping behavior! It's ridiculous to blame the parent for the kids brain, and foot... But that's what our litigious society is all about today! Maybe the automobile manufacturer should be sued for creating the device that allowed the kid to go so fast! How do they get a buy on this? Speed limiting technology is clearly available today! Especially the ability to identify roads capable of certain speeds, etc. So when casting that blame vision at others, it should be a wide view, not narrowly and selectively used because the need for vengeance!

Who here hasn't drive their M anything like they stole it!?!? If not, then why did you buy the performance? And who then isn't a hypocrite when saying anything about anybody else SPEEDING with their vehicle! The kid did it, and that's the end of it!

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by cooolone2

The problem is trying to place blame on others... A particular and interesting issue among a group of people who just cannot accept laying fault with the person commiting the act!

An age old problem, should we go back to the days of a kid taking the horse out of the barn for a quick run? Youth... Many forego the thought of consequence! But hey, must be someone else that caused this, why don't we go after the grandparents too? How about teachers (if any) and others we may identify as being Influencing to their lives! Studies had been done some time ago to disprove the old TV shows and even video games having causation in formulating young brains and those trying to lay blame on them for shaping behavior! It's ridiculous to blame the parent for the kids brain, and foot... But that's what our litigious society is all about today! Maybe the automobile manufacturer should be sued for creating the device that allowed the kid to go so fast! How do they get a buy on this? Speed limiting technology is clearly available today! Especially the ability to identify roads capable of certain speeds, etc. So when casting that blame vision at others, it should be a wide view, not narrowly and selectively used because the need for vengeance!

Who here hasn't drive their M anything like they stole it!?!? If not, then why did you buy the performance? And who then isn't a hypocrite when saying anything about anybody else SPEEDING with their vehicle! The kid did it, and that's the end of it!

Yes, the kid did it. I don't think anyone that has commented is giving that idiot a pass. Where we're having problems is the mother is 100% complicit in the end result. She knew her son has had problems with being reckless while driving. Yet, she still gave him full access to a vehicle she owns. She could have locked away the keys so he wouldn't have access to the car. She could have reported the car stolen to the police. There were things she could have done but didn't do.

As to being young and dumb. Yes, I admit I did some stupid things when young. But I didn't do what this idiot did. And as to using the performance of the vehicle to have fun, yes, I've done that too. But I had the judgement both when I was young and now not to do triple digit speeds in a 25 MPH zone which the idiot that is the subject of this thread did. This tells me he was being a total douche that didn't give a crap about anyone blasting through most probably a residential area at 100+ MPH. I think and hope none of us have not done something that stupid.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by cooolone2

The problem is trying to place blame on others... A particular and interesting issue among a group of people who just cannot accept laying fault with the person commiting the act!

An age old problem, should we go back to the days of a kid taking the horse out of the barn for a quick run? Youth... Many forego the thought of consequence! But hey, must be someone else that caused this, why don't we go after the grandparents too? How about teachers (if any) and others we may identify as being Influencing to their lives! Studies had been done some time ago to disprove the old TV shows and even video games having causation in formulating young brains and those trying to lay blame on them for shaping behavior! It's ridiculous to blame the parent for the kids brain, and foot... But that's what our litigious society is all about today! Maybe the automobile manufacturer should be sued for creating the device that allowed the kid to go so fast! How do they get a buy on this? Speed limiting technology is clearly available today! Especially the ability to identify roads capable of certain speeds, etc. So when casting that blame vision at others, it should be a wide view, not narrowly and selectively used because the need for vengeance!

Who here hasn't drive their M anything like they stole it!?!? If not, then why did you buy the performance? And who then isn't a hypocrite when saying anything about anybody else SPEEDING with their vehicle! The kid did it, and that's the end of it!

I only drive my M cars like they stole it on track only In the city I follow to the speed limit 99% of the time. There is no point to race with anyone in front of the traffic lights.

[NBTT]

Delt with the same thing years back. Very confident and capable young driver. Very good kid in every way but understanding not all drivers as good as him. Nothing, nothing, nothing like these excessive speeds. The solution was to sign up and participate in the driving schools and track days. Turned out to be great family weekend time. My wife is pretty cool, she enjoyed the time at the track as well. Found a safer way to enjoy the driving experience. Driving the Sebring Florida course was conditioned on not getting any tickets. Worked well for us

These families are ruined forever. Manslaughter charges, bankruptcy and at some point even these idiots will feel the guilt. Parents might be prosecuted as well.

[spazzyfry123]

Apparently a 17 year old's birthday present.

[cmyx6go]

Originally Posted by spazzyfry123

Apparently a 17 year old's birthday present.

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So sad. Just because you could buy your 17 year old a new BMW for their birthday, doesn't mean you should.

[vreihen16]

Originally Posted by cmyx6go

So sad. Just because you could buy your 17 year old a new BMW for their birthday, doesn't mean you should.

I am all for graduated licenses, like Japan supposedly uses for motorcycles. Make them all start driving 50 HP cars, like I did.

FWIW, my parents never bought/gave me a car in my life, and the first time that I ever drove one of their vehicles was at my old man's funeral.....

[ezaircon4jc]

Originally Posted by vreihen16

I am all for graduated licenses, like Japan supposedly uses for motorcycles. Make them all start driving 50 HP cars, like I did.

FWIW, my parents never bought/gave me a car in my life, and the first time that I ever drove one of their vehicles was at my old man's funeral.....

We have a graduated system here; not HP but passenger & hour restrictions.


I remember when I was in high school and for graduation some of my friends were given cars, nothing new or fancy, just transportation. I was hounding my parents about getting a car for me, and after a few months of my "nagging," my dad asked if I wanted a car. I, thinking he had finally caved, gave a resounding YES!!!!!! He gave me the best advise when he said "Then go get a job and buy one." At the time I was devasted, but am extremely grateful to this day.

[Esteban]

Bought my first car at 18yo. A ‘68 VW Bug. Still, my favorite car. Probably because it was my first and because I paid for it with my own money.

[David70]

Originally Posted by vreihen16

I am all for graduated licenses, like Japan supposedly uses for motorcycles. Make them all start driving 50 HP cars, like I did.

FWIW, my parents never bought/gave me a car in my life, and the first time that I ever drove one of their vehicles was at my old man's funeral.....

Special low hp cars for young drivers isn't realistic for most income levels & even with this, it either gets up to highway speed or doesn't. If it doesn't it's pretty useless for most of the population, if it does you can still have a high speed accident/death.

Also, when was the last 50 hp car, 45 years ago? Really difficult/dangerous to merge onto a highway

[vreihen16]

Originally Posted by ezaircon4jc

We have a graduated system here; not HP but passenger & hour restrictions.

So do we, where nobody under 18 is allowed to drive after 9:00 PM unless it is to/from work with a note from the boss.

At around 1:30 AM Sunday morning here, a car being driven by a 17-year-old was involved in a fatal accident where one of the four teen occupants was killed and two others needed an airlift to the regional trauma center.

We also have drinking age laws (21), and the teen driver was found to be intoxicated so that law also meant nothing to them.

What about the parents, you ask? "A source close to the situation said the driver’s father is an Orange County Sheriff’s deputy and his mother is a probation officer." Surely both know the law, and should not have permitted their child to be driving after 9:00 PM! Sounds like a case of blue affluenza to me. Hopefully the vehicular manslaughter charges put him away for a long time, but we know where that will go with the court system here being so messed up.....

https://midhudsonnews.com/2024/09/24...fatal-crash-2/

[erickonphoenix]

Not really on topic, but I have never gotten Life360 to display a speed above 96 mph.

[Llarry]

One of the most interested buyers for my M3 was a 21-year-old from LA. He was looking at several M3s; particularly interested in one with a manual transmission although he also stated his manual experience was pretty limited.

In the course of our conversation, I observed that insurance for someone his age driving an M3 must be awfully high, and he told me he's still on his parents' policy. He also mentioned in passing that he'd had a serious accident. I guessed that this was another case of affluenza.

[lens]

Just ban kids under a certain age from driving certain cars.

For example, if you're under 25, you're not allowed to drive any car that has more than 3-400hp or something of the sort.

There's too many kids with social media who think it's "cool" to do that shit when they don't work up to that speed.

[vreihen16]

The case above is what I call blue afluenza, where children of police and politicians feel above the law because mommy or daddy can sweep their offenses under the rug.....

[ezaircon4jc]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Bought my first car at 18yo. A ‘68 VW Bug. Still, my favorite car. Probably because it was my first and because I paid for it with my own money.

My first was also at 18. It was a '65 (really a 64 1/2) Mustang with a 4-spd and the 225 horse 289. It was fun, but very light in the rear.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by lens

Just ban kids under a certain age from driving certain cars.

For example, if you're under 25, you're not allowed to drive any car that has more than 3-400hp or something of the sort.

There's too many kids with social media who think it's "cool" to do that shit when they don't work up to that speed.

My 2200lb 1990 CRX Si with 108hp that did 0-60 in the mid 8s was capable of 120mph and I got in over my head on a few occasions with that car when I was 17-21. A base 2024 Camry automatic is way faster than that CRX. Point being, most any car these days is capable of dangerous speed and acceleration. Rarely is it kids accelerating rapidly and causing accidents, rather it's kids simply driving way too fast and not paying, driving beyond their or the vehicles limits, etc. The overall power of the car isn't the culprit. Teens wrecking expensive and powerful cars makes for better media views.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by ezaircon4jc

My first was also at 18. It was a '65 (really a 64 1/2) Mustang with a 4-spd and the 225 horse 289. It was fun, but very light in the rear.

My daughter had a ‘66 with the 289. Very easy to light up the rear tires. Fun car.

[spazzyfry123]

Originally Posted by Esteban

My daughter had a ‘66 with the 289. Very easy to light up the rear tires. Fun car.

I had a '65 Coupe with a 302 swap. Still retained ALL of the six cylinder components (brakes, rear end, etc.). That was a spooky car just because it was so ill-prepped.

Talk about fun, though! Right to the last time I drove it doing a neutral drop snapping the six cylinder driveshaft U-joint when I was probably 18.

...And I'd do it again, too.

[Maynard]

With teens it is more mental than mechanical (but putting 400+ hp in the hands of that immature brain is a very bad idea). The risk of an accident roughly doubles for every extra passenger, so 8x with 4 in the seats (once again, the answer is Miata - sub 200hp, seats 2, and still acceptably cool). And don't too look closely at my own past - my first car was a station wagon that once managed to transport 17 people and a 10-speed bike at one time (but never in an accident - I couldn't afford a replacement).

[ezaircon4jc]

Originally Posted by Maynard

With teens it is more mental than mechanical (but putting 400+ hp in the hands of that immature brain is a very bad idea). The risk of an accident roughly doubles for every extra passenger, so 8x with 4 in the seats (once again, the answer is Miata - sub 200hp, seats 2, and still acceptably cool). And don't too look closely at my own past - my first car was a station wagon that once managed to transport 17 people and a 10-speed bike at one time (but never in an accident - I couldn't afford a replacement).

A 4-banger small pickup also suites the bill (no shell or tonneau cover).

[vreihen16]

Originally Posted by ezaircon4jc

A 4-banger small pickup also suites the bill (no shell or tonneau cover).

Trust me, the best vehicle for a teen boy is a 45 HP Volkswagen Rabbit diesel pickup. You clock 0-60 MPH on a calendar, and everyone knows that girls just swoon over diesel pickups.....