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10-20-2024, 12:40 PM | #23 |
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Porsche pricing is just dumb. I also don't understand the purpose of cars like this. No one can use it on the street and no one takes these cars to the track. They're just all about flexing wallets at Cars and Coffee and talking about how rare the car is and the owner's special options. These 911s are MASSIVE as well.
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Agreed with all the points made on this thread about the pricing. I would also be one of those people that would absolutely get a GT3 Touring with the new carbon buckets and rear seats if I was in the financial position to do so. To me, the 992 GT3 with a manual transmission is the holy grail of what I look for in a 'forever car'.
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Just because you can't, doesn't mean other people can't too. Wildly expensive, yes...if you want to go have fun tracking a car, you don't need one of these. But that doesn't mean that people don't.
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Ah the gate keeping continues
The folks with too much money to burn but aren't actually car guys buy these and flex at cars and coffee Talked a young man last Sunday with a very nice 718 GT4RS and gave him compliments Proceeded to as him how it feels bouncing off the limiter He explains he's taking it to the dealer on Monday as there's a problem with his transmission, as it won't allow him to red line The poor sap hasn't ever taken out of comfort mode and has no idea what manual mode is or does Worst part is it was daddy's money, he just picked the bright green one cuz it looked cool These are the Porsche target audience sadly |
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They are still popular cars with track rats, I was at a Karting event at Mosport a few weeks ago and it was Porsche day on the main circuit and a solid 40 guys were pounding around all day with no shortage of modern GT3.
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I will caveat that I am well aware not all autocross events are the same. Some are held on tracks and they just add some comes to straight sections. But onesase of comes in a parking lot are largely snoozefests to me. That said, I feel like the vast majority of all of these special track edition cars are sold to speculators, never see the track, and aren't sold to car guys, they're sold to "car guys". The kind of guy would wouldn't know where to find their oil filter and thinks torx and torques are the same thing. Corvette, 911, Camaro, mustang, Ferrari, whatever, the brand doesn't really matter. They're all rich old guys or trust fund kids buying to brag. |
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Yes, there are people that "track" their GT3s and such, but very few are truly racing them. They're taking them out and driving them 6/10 on a track during some expensive track day event and thinking they're really pushing the car. Auto-x is fun as hell and I'm a huge fan, but I don't really consider that track driving. You're usually under ~70mph and aren't really testing the full limits of a car, especially a GT3. The GT3 has become a different car between now and the 997 and earlier days. The prices have increased dramatically. When accounting for inflation, a 997 GT3 was ~$165K in todays money. The GT3 of that gen is primarily the one most of us see at tracks or they are modded non-GT3 cars that were totaled and then done up to look like GT3s. 991 and especially the 997 and earlier GT3s had much more focus on track duty, lightness, less is more, etc. The 991.2 and later GT3s became a different type of car in terms of options, content, weight, PRICE, and most aren't seeing track duty. They're too damn expensive and valuable in every aspect. Sure, there are some very wealthy people and teams racing them, but to think most are doing that is hilarious. Porsche has lost it's way and is increasingly focused on it's vast amount of halo and specialty sportscar models that now are squarely aimed at those with deep pockets willing to spend astronomical prices for bedazzled 991. It's all about flex and ego for most buyers.
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About 5 years ago, I ran into a guy at a BMW track event. He had a GT3RS and said it cost him about $2k in tires every weekend or every other weekend at the track. He had the money and was using the car for its intended purpose.
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I will say my 987 felt a bit more connected/raw in terms of steering, braking, throttle control feel, and NVH. The GT3 felt really refined (more like my M235) and made me wonder how diluted a standard 991+ 911 might feel. I imagine it would feel pretty water-downed compared to the GT3. I'm clearly in a different camp than most of you. I like a quick and fast car, but one that I can come close to exploring the limits on a B-road, use all the rpms of the motor in many of the gears, etc. all the while being a fun track car if I wanted to do that. If I were 15-20 years younger (50 now), I'd probably be in your camp as I was all about max power and speed back then. I do commend Porsche with sticking to NA, high revving motors. Definitely more tractable power delivery than a heavy hitting turbo which can sneak up on you at the least opportune time.
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When I see a sportscar or super car that has some dirty panels, rock chipped front end, and filthy wheels, all I think is Magnus Walker's saying "Smiles per mile".
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There are also a lot of people who leave their newer, nicer car in the garage and drive a beater most of the time. I buy cars to drive, not preserve for the next owner. I am not in the GT3 league, though I nearly bought a used 991.2 Turbo several years ago. Prices have gone way up since then so I may have missed my opportunity.
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The problem with these "track focused" cars is at the price points they go for, you can be a gentleman driver. You know what's cooler than showing up to a PCA event or private track rental on a GT3RS? Actually racing as part of a real team where you pay to be part of it. You can say "I want to do the start" or "I want to cross the checkered flags" and the team says "sure no problem". Then you go back to your RV or party tent and enjoy the rest of the race in air conditioned luxury.
When i was deep into racing I met a guy who did that. He was extra smart, he used these races as advertising for his company and so he wrote off the whole thing (and I think the costs of being a gentleman driver too) as a business expense and brought clients and the like to his races. He had owned a 997 GT3RS but said it wasn't a great road car. He said he would usually only drive it to shows and stuff, and would either drive his Cayenne Turbo or 911 Turbo instead. Anyways, when I was racing I decided if I ever just got "F U" money, that's what I would do. You buy these special.porsches as investments and then spend your racing money on being a real racing driver. |
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It's wild how the perception some have about owners of certain cars varies. There will always be people with more money than enthusiasm for cars who will buy flashy cars. That's a pretty tired point and nothing new.
Go to any private day at Laguna or Sonoma and it's >75% GT3s. Most of the cars at or out on Thermal at any given time are GT3s or Cup cars. If you think these cars are just bought to parade around on Sunday, it shows you lack exposure to the circles which prove otherwise. Besides, no one buys a Porsche to flex. Maybe in Scottsdale or Tampa or wherever they still wear Ed Hardy shirts. But Porsches aren't seen as fancy cars to many. A GT3RS on the street is a bit... gauche. |
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I've done tons of PCA events. It's all about what the owner wants to do. By your logic, what would be even "cooler" would be to design the entire car and then do all the manufacturing of it, then start a race team, then do all the maintenance on it, and then...and then...and then. Why can't people freaking understand that not everyone wants to like what they like? We should be able to discuss those differences here...but the way you put it is like my dad "why can't people do and like the things that I like?".
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Nah, Porsches are common in Tampa too. It all depends on your income bracket. Of you're making 10 million a year, a Porsche isn't a flex. But if your make 60k a year a Camaro is a flex.
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