Shop Owner Crashed & Totaled Customer's 911 GT3 RS During Joyride

[Never_Enough]

Originally Posted by RichZ4

It'll more than likely be covered on the car owners insurance.

I own an import shop and still don't get why people post pictures of the "exotic" cars they work on..

Those are not the guys you want working on your stuff.

That's a it of a generalization. Car guys always enjoy seeing awesome cars they don't see or work on all the time. Snapping a pic of rolling art does not = joyride.

[RichZ4]

Originally Posted by Satan'sChariot

That's a it of a generalization. Car guys always enjoy seeing awesome cars they don't see or work on all the time. Snapping a pic of rolling art does not = joyride.

Having that car pull into the shop is a nightmare for a shop owner. Keep it inside, make sure it doesn't get scratched, keep the other customers away from it etc it's called "babysitting" is the labor rate different then lets say the 2008 3 series that needs a water pump and valve cover gasket? No.

Also I don't see why lawyers are involved. The insurance companies need to say their peace before you would need one.

I'd imagine the shop owners work order has something verbage in it that gives the shop permission to drive the car under the car owners policy.

[Draper]

Even if he didn't destroy it, how on earth would he justify racking up 150-200 miles during a service visit?

No way that would go unnoticed by an RS owner.

[Never_Enough]

Originally Posted by RichZ4

Having that car pull into the shop is a nightmare for a shop owner. Keep it inside, make sure it doesn't get scratched, keep the other customers away from it etc it's called "babysitting" is the labor rate different then lets say the 2008 3 series that needs a water pump and valve cover gasket? No.

Also I don't see why lawyers are involved. The insurance companies need to say their peace before you would need one.

I'd imagine the shop owners work order has something verbage in it that gives the shop permission to drive the car under the car owners policy.

SMh. Then refuse to service it.

Local Vette shop always keeps all the cars inside regardless & these are not exotics. This particular shop is just run by a moron ahole.

[ORIGIN M.]

Better change the business name now.

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

Well now he owns a new business

[Dekansnowman]

There is no way in hell I even call my insurance other than to tell them who to expect a call from. No way I'm using mine to cover it.

[Nivarox]

What a shame ,the car will loose awfully high value so is the credibility to the shop owner

[shay2nak]

Originally Posted by Kyle B

yea you know me.

lol Exactly. I was thinking about typing this as the next sentence, but I thought be best left for someone else to complete it for me. Thanks.

[Vigilante375]

This car went in for a header install and tune. I pretty sure they have a dyno and that is where all the testing should have been done.

People understand vehicles have to be driven after being worked on. Well, depending on the type of work. But not for 4 hours and launching the car over and over.

I bet the shop owner wanted to something to break so he could charge the 911 owner for it.

[///M Ryder]

Originally Posted by RichZ4

I'd imagine the shop owners work order has something verbage in it that gives the shop permission to drive the car under the car owners policy.

I would guess not for a 4 hour "joyride" with TC off and Launch control engaged. I've been following this from day 1 and the GT3 owner is a class act. He's been nothing but a gentleman about the incident. The shop owner needs to pay the piper......law enforcement needs to be writing many tickets for his dumb ass actions.........Phil

[MalibuBimmer]

Originally Posted by RichZ4

Having that car pull into the shop is a nightmare for a shop owner. Keep it inside, make sure it doesn't get scratched, keep the other customers away from it etc it's called "babysitting" is the labor rate different then lets say the 2008 3 series that needs a water pump and valve cover gasket? No.

Also I don't see why lawyers are involved. The insurance companies need to say their peace before you would need one.

I'd imagine the shop owners work order has something verbage in it that gives the shop permission to drive the car under the car owners policy.

Yes. No need for lawyers. Insurance companies always pay top dollar without prodding.

/sarc

PS: The word is "verbiage" but a better word is "language."

[RichZ4]

Originally Posted by MalibuBimmer

Yes. No need for lawyers. Insurance companies always pay top dollar without prodding.

/sarc

PS: The word is "verbiage" but a better word is "language."

I just read the last post from the car owner on the other forum. Things seem to be working out the way I thought they would.

I'm curious if they'll total the car but I don't think they will.

The shop owner is an ass for putting those kind of miles on that car.

[Draper]

Originally Posted by RichZ4

I just read the last post from the car owner on the other forum. Things seem to be working out the way I thought they would.

I'm curious if they'll total the car but I don't think they will.

The shop owner is an ass for putting those kind of miles on that car.

The last estimates I saw were $90k of repairs, and $100k of diminished value. Selling the car for salvage and paying the owner the difference is probably the most economical option for insurance.

[Red Bread]

Clearly the answer is to repair the car with air cooled Beetle parts, sell it to China for half a mil and give the owner a new GT3 RS while rolling in the left over Benjis. That's what Mayhem would do.

[RichZ4]

Originally Posted by ///M Ryder

I would guess not for a 4 hour "joyride" with TC off and Launch control engaged. I've been following this from day 1 and the GT3 owner is a class act. He's been nothing but a gentleman about the incident. The shop owner needs to pay the piper......law enforcement needs to be writing many tickets for his dumb ass actions.........Phil

I just read on Rennlist the owner has no idea ho many miles they put on it. Where did you get that info from?

Edit: I just read an article about it saying he was doing "hard launches" all over town over a few hours time.

That thread is making me want a 911.

[E Automotive]

SMH

[Vigilante375]

Originally Posted by RichZ4

I just read on Rennlist the owner has no idea ho many miles they put on it. Where did you get that info from?

Edit: I just read an article about it saying he was doing "hard launches" all over town over a few hours time.

That thread is making me want a 911.

Owner of the 911 had the ECM data pulled and Porsche told him everything that they could see. Launches, TC off, redlining the engine, etc.

Plus numerous people have told the 911 owner that they saw the car here and this time and there at that time. Which was in a span of 4 hours prior to the accident.

[Mingwan]

Shop owner/guys joyriding the client's car is in the shitbag list with Hennessy.

[buddalun]

Owner of GT3 RS is now having a headache with insurance:
http://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-g...d-shop-13.html

Infuriating.

[WestBankM4]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

IMO, the owner of the shop should be held 100% liable. And he cannot deny that since the ECM recorded everything he did.

The 911 owner should get his car fixed 100%, by a shop of his choice, and get the market value for his car.

Waiting for the OP to update the thread this week. Apparently he can't say anything while it's under investigation but the shop might have tried "hiding" things after the wreck happened.

Lets just say that the odometer reading may have been tampered with.

[buddalun]

Originally Posted by WestBankM4

but the shop might have tried "hiding" things after the wreck happened.

Lets just say that the odometer reading may have been tampered with.

[WestBankM4]

Originally Posted by buddalun

It really is when you think about it, for such a reputable shop you'd think they would know there's some kind of report you can pull from the ECU.

I know some VW's, Porsche, Ferrari ECU's don't have data logging software but there are ways to pull data and have the respective manufacturers interpret that data. I believe this is what OP did, Porsche pulled the data from the track timer on the GT3RS.