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I had a chance to see the new 4er in the flesh today at the local dealer. It definitely looks better in person than it does in photos, and I had my doubts. If the upcoming i4 is going to look like this, I'm in.
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Edit: And yeah, it looks better in a larger SUV, but that doesn't make it look good. Last edited by Tacoma; 11-14-2020 at 03:55 PM.. |
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I'm not a fan of Nissan, but look at the Altima. It has a "head to toe" grill. But it is symmetrically integrated and flows with the rest of the car's design language. THIS is how a large grill should be done, if it needs to be done at all.
The 4 series is discongruent and piecemeal. It makes no sense from a design language standpoint. It's all over the place in terms of themes. Nothing matches. It's like they had a different designer for the grill, the front, the sides, and the back. The iX looks like a beaver is having an orgasm. But at least it looks like something and makes a little sense. |
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Interesting perspective. I'm buying it.
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I took this photo a couple of weeks ago. I think it shows shock on the face of my E82 upon encountering the latest version of the iconic BMW grille!
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its a modern day edsel ford. lets be real.
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Agreed OP.
On a side note you wrote "sports car" then as an example placed a photo of the M8.
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I think the E82 is a well-proportioned sport sedan without non-functional excess and at a reasonable weight. My fourth BMW was a '73 tii in 1973. The E82 reminds me of that car in so many good ways. But then you probably wouldn't like that car, either.
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We're talking about styling here. If I may be so bold; I'd be more specific and contend we're really only talking about exterior styling.
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Sure, you're talking about styling, but BMW has survived styling faux pas with superior engineering. Even that is questionable today. That's the beauty of the E82—its direct steering and responsive handling. The visceral connection of man and machine that still exists but probably only in the current generation M2. Last edited by BMWCCA1; 11-18-2020 at 07:23 PM.. |
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This is for the new money in China, which is all about showing off ostentatiously. if it draws attention then they do it, look at the wealthy Chinese students today here on our shores, all drive flashy cars with the flashiest wraps, flashiest handbags, and flashiest clothes, and demands all the attention regardless if it looks good.
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That Nissan is just plain fugly, nothing nice or proportionate about the design of that monstrous front end.
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You specifically chose to a zoomed out picture where everything on the car is blacked out. This prevents the viewer from observing the lines of the car and the details that make it look so obnoxious. Ever heard the saying "good from far but far from good"? In this situation it's "average from far but far from average".
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It's actually twice as bad as an Edsel since the Edsel only had ONE bad grill opening. But typical BMW, it has to one-up everyone else...
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A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
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Right, it's actually twice as bad as some people say.
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A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
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Former BMW design chief Frank Stephenson, who has been called "one of the most influential automotive designers of our time" by Motor Trend and designed the original X5, Ferrari F430 and FXX, Maserati MC12, McLaren MP4-12C, P1, 676LT, 570S, and 720S, has completely torn into BMW's new design language, starting with the new 4 series. It is very rare for a highly regarded designer to rip on his colleagues. It is only done when the design is so repulsive and repugnant that there is no way to sugar coat things. I.E., it is not politically correct to do what he did unless the offender (BMW) is being offensive.
He stated that "the huge grille is unrefined", the design is "difficult to understand", and the grill "doesn't go with the proportions of the rest of the coupe". These grills have been widely regarded as pig nostrils, which is not a good thing. In addition, he states that "it's weird that the positioning of the front license plate doesn't seem to have been considered when designing this car" and that "You can't forget about the registration plate". He goes on to say that he regrets that BMW seems to have nearly eliminated the company's iconic Hofmeister kink and says there's "a lot happening" at the rear. Overall, he states that "BMW tossed the baby out with the bathwater." |
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