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Craziness lol. I guess we all have to have the same opinion and just accept what others say or how we should feel about something.
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First things first. It's hideous. Like, really ugly. It doesn't look futuristic, it is the automotive equivalent of Soviet cold war high rose apartments.
Secondly, it's 66k for what amounts to an electric Hyundai golf R. Yes it is crazy fast and yest it has but loads of power. But you can get a used model s plain for that, or any model 3 or model y you want, brand new, and have a bunch of money leftover. As others have pointed out, that's a lot of money that buys you a lot of other cars that are also fun. Third, the resale on this is just gonna be BRUTAL. Hyundai's aren't exactly known for high resale value, nor are EVs, nor are performance editions of cars. These are probably gonna lose 50% in the first 6-12 months from new I appreciate that they're at least trying to make fun EVs. But honestly it feels like icing on a turd. An ugly, expensive turd that's gonna get shoved down your throat by unelected bureaucrats. I guess I just don't see the value prop. It's an expensive but fairly small hatchback. It might be fun but it's got pretty meh range and realistically you're not gonna track it. |
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Props to Hyundai for trying. Americans aren't buying cars at all, let alone the 30k+ premium for an EV, not even considering the infrastructure costs at integrating it into one's lifestyle. They won't be selling many of them, so I guess we'll call it a "loss leader" like every single Ford offering. Except the loss leads to nowhere.
It's just an ironic twist of fate that "they" forced all the global automakers into EVs (in unison, weird) and now they are forced to try to sell them to a weary, broke public and the main selling point is still "save the environment." |
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The battery pack and motors can only handle so much power, you increase current, you introduce more heat. It's like overclocking a PC on wheels, you really want to deal with a fire with EVs? And of course people care why cars are faster, there's a reason why you got honda civic hatches that weigh 2000lbs with a giant turbo gapping everything.
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Not that different than ICE tuning - they too reduce the safety margin the manufacturer built in. EVs could also use time-limited power boost (like some models already offer) where you'd be able to use the extra power for X seconds every Y minutes to allow everything to cool off.
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The same brand that has had multiple fire recalls on their vehicles.
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I'm fairly anti-EV like most enthusiasts. The Ioniq 5N is probably the most interesting prospect I've seen short of a Porsche Taycan TurboS, which is in supercar pricing territory.
I'd potentially consider one as a daily driver in a couple years when they depreciate into the low 30s. My commute is only 12 miles each way. |
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they are different cars but one was not better than the other. i thought the Kia handled better than the M5 even though it had 255 PS4S vs 285s on the M5. could just be faked by the pedal response and regen (regen simulates the engine braking of a manual). i kept my 550 and bought the Kia (less than half the price of the base M5 and 1/3 of the price of the Comp LCI) and the wife immediately hijacked it. now can i have a G81 CS please .... Last edited by G30M; 05-16-2024 at 08:13 PM.. |
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You're either delusional or it just goes to show how far BMW has fallen when it comes to their M cars. I'm in no way trying to be an asshole but that's a pretty bold statement.
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i have and that's my experience. it wasn't on a race track but on a very windy public road with 25-35mph corners. tested it back to back. the Kia absolutely trashed my M340i and M550i, i sold the M340i after getting the Kia. the 550 can compete, definitely more refined and has the V8 soul but that's about it. in terms of soul yeah the EV has none but it performs better in my life without having access to tracks. if i'm travelling alone i drive the V8 but the kia is more comfortable with me missus 3 teens and their gear. can't fit these things in the 340 or 550. i've also done quarter mile runs (high 11s) at will without it making any noise to attract attention. i'm always scared when gassing the BMWs in case it makes too much noise and attract unwanted attention. the weight penalty shows in higher speed corners where the M340i wins but they at the limits of grip you don't find on public roads at legal speeds. the M5 should beat the Kia on a racetrack but not on public roads. The M3 will i think but I don't have one. if i am a rich man and have no teens to ferry and get to choose between the GT and the M5 i will take the BMW because the M5 is now extinct. we have a few more years to get the M3 before they too go extinct but I'm not sure i can stand the touchscreen. (the Kia has buttons) Last edited by G30M; 05-17-2024 at 03:17 PM.. |
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I don't trust most people who say a certain car handles better than another unless they have heavy track time, or are very well known for racing. Your standard Joe blow who takes the car from A to B or a small backroads with little turns can't know how well a car handles. If you're saying a KIA handles better than an M car, I want to know what drugs you're on. |
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Maybe BMW M cars have just fallen that far off that Kia now competes with them.
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the no understeer bit is exactly what i'm feeling. the M5 has understeer. i also said I think the M3 will be better but this steers about the same, maybe better than the M5 I tested, on public roads |
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