F1 2023: Brazilian GP - São Paulo (Nov 5)

[Marcoose]

The bitching is peculiar. RBR already won both championships by a mile. What the effing else do people want ?

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

The bitching is peculiar. MAX already won both championships by a mile. What the effing else do people want ?

FTFY !

[Marcoose]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

FTFY !

So what’s with the bitching ?

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

The bitching is peculiar. RBR already won both championships by a mile. What the effing else do people want ?

'Puzzled' about Perez's subpar performance in what most consider to be the best performing F1 car of the moment on the grid, rather than 'bitching' about Perez's performance.

Horner already stated that he also wants a Red Bull 1-2 in the WDC. Gluttony ? Also Wolff was very eager to get a Mercedes 1-2 in the WDC in the Hamilton-Rosberg and Hamilton-Bottas era. Undoubtedly also pride and financial bonuses are part of the equation. As well as expectations for the next season: is current performance forecasting future performance (with the knowledge that also competitors work on improving their cars) ?

Perez was leading Hamilton by 39 points in the WDC when the lights turned green in Mexico. All he had to do: bring home the car, scoring enough points to keep the WDC gap to Hamilton somehow manageable (only 3 races and a Sprint remaining after the Mexico race weekend). A podium finish as goal, ahead of Hamilton if possible, but no absolute requirement. Be smart to get smart results - think long-term.

But we all saw how Perez impatiently torpedoed his chances in Turn 1. No matter the discussions about what happened and who's to be blamed: it's a DNF - zero points and car damage bills to be footed. And this latest hiccup could jeopardize his F1 career future. I guess that Red Bull will let him race in 2024 but will replace him 'Kyvat style' with Ricciardo or Lawson around May 2024 if he fails to perform as planned during the first two months. It will be very stressful for Perez: perform in the Red Bull from the get-go as expected (reaching Q3 during qualies + getting podium finishes during races + no self-inflicted accidents) to avoid getting 'demoted' to AlphaTauri.

Hamilton did a stellar job during the Mexico race by giving his level best: P2 and fastest lap, closing the WDC gap separating #2 and #3 to 20 points. Top marks for Hamilton and Mercedes - well done.

If Verstappen had failed to keep Hamilton behind him at the chequered flag in Mexico, the 39 points WDC gap would have even 'melted' to merely 12 points. Ironically, Verstappen needs to keep winning races, bagging the precious 25 P1 points up for grabs, to 'help' Perez securing #2 WDC. Weird situation of damage control.

Positive takeaways: the fights for #2 WDC and #2 WCC should provide an interesting finale of this season.

If Hamilton manages to get #2 WDC this season, it will be deserved. For months on end Perez ain't performing the way you'd expect from a 2023 #2 WDC. Hamilton is doing a better job (except for his Russell crash at Qatar, his performance is more consistent than the one of Perez). Let's face it: after all the Perez hiccups witnessed this season, does Perez or Hamilton truly deserve the title of 'second best performing F1 driver in the world of 2023' ? In my book, based on performance, Hamilton deserves #2 WDC 2023 more than Perez.

"Christian Horner says Red Bull will need to have both drivers in play in time to come amid concerned about Sergio Perez’s form.
While Red Bull has sealed both the drivers’ and constructors’ championship for the 2023 F1 season, the only goal that remains is a 1-2 finish in the drivers’ standings where Max Verstappen leads currently from teammate Sergio Perez.
But the Mexican’s form and lack of results is hurting him as Mercedes’ Lewis Hamilton closes in on to disrupt the party. After the early good run, Perez has just dropped the ball and consistently fighting through to get himself on the podium in most cases."
(source: https://formularapida.net/horner-say...remain-on-top/)

[Marcoose]

Originally Posted by Artemis

'Puzzled' about Perez's subpar performance in what most consider to be the best performing F1 car of the moment on the grid, rather than 'bitching' about Perez's performance.

Nah. Your command of the language is far too perfect to play the semantics game. It’s bitching. Your team is winning in a landslide. And you’re still bitching.

Oh, the lights don’t go green. They turn off.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Perez was leading Hamilton by 39 points in the WDC when the lights turned green in Mexico.

Originally Posted by Marcoose

Oh, the lights don’t go green. They turn off.

You refer to the start lights.

But prior to getting there, pit lane lights to access the circuit for the formation lap first must turn green.

Perez managed to successfully complete the formation lap, though.

[dfox]

Originally Posted by Artemis

About time for Perez to get his act together.

Last 5 Grand Prix weekends - same team and car available:

• Perez: 21 points
• Verstappen: 127 points

Yeah, you can only say it's bad luck for so long...

He looked so promising for the first like 1/3 or 1/2 of the season. It's fallen apart a bit after that.

Honestly though, the media isn't helping his situation, constantly creating all these rumors that he's retiring, RB is replacing him, moving to AM, etc... that's gotta be tiring to just constantly be bombarded with people saying you're not good enough. And that's all part of the sport I guess, but very few other drivers are subject to that same scrutiny. It destroyed Albon and Gasly. Perez's current accident prone nature reminds me of Albon's last days at RB...

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

So what’s with the bitching ?

I think most of us here want to see drivers (any driver) perform to the best of their abilities.
And currently, Checo isn't doing that (basically for this year but also last year if you ask me), but he's occupying a seat that so many other drivers could make use of so much better.
If this is the best he has to offer, he doesn't belong in F1. Just as Mazepin doesn't belong in F1, just as Latifi doesn't belong in F1, and the same goes for Mick Schumacher and Logan Sargeant (ok, Sargeant is still a rookie, so he should get the benefit of the doubt for a full year, he might shine in the last few races...)

So it has (for me at least) nothing to do with that one team, or one driver has to win and nothing else is important, it has to do with sportive achievements in general.
I want to see drivers (or any athlete in any sport) and teams do amazing things, to rise above themselves.
So if I see a seasoned driver like Checo make mistakes like the one in Mexico, then that's a let down. And just by sheer luck LEC could resume his race.

That is why I always wish for a crash free and mechanical trouble free race. To give the drivers a chance to show what they can do.

[dfox]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

The bitching is peculiar. RBR already won both championships by a mile. What the effing else do people want ?

I'm a Checo supporter for sure, but he's gotta stop crashing. That's a lot of money to spend fixing his car. Some weren't really his "fault" others were, but he's crashing out at a much higher rate than pretty much everyone else on the field right now...

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by dfox

I'm a Checo supporter for sure, but he's gotta stop crashing. That's a lot of money to spend fixing his car. Some weren't really his "fault" others were, but he's crashing out at a much higher rate than pretty much everyone else on the field right now...

Checo's total cost in car damage is currently 3,2$ Million (so far)!

The Red Bull Team stopped all the RB19 upgrades during the summer break , just to save money (budget) for the development of the 2024 RB20 car .
This means that 3,2$ Million is gone for the RB20 upgrades .

Don't know which team or team mate would be happy with that ...'
As I said : Checo's situation at the Red Bull Team is very complicated .

[dfox]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

As I said : Checo's situation at the Red Bull Team is very complicated .

Is it though? Or is that what the media and all of the uboobers want everyone to believe? Gotta keep people clicking on their videos and re-tweeting their twats.

Following the Mexico GP:

"How many times do I have to repeat this? Checo has a contract for 2024 and that will happen" - Helmut Marko

"Checo [Perez] has an agreement with us for next year and that’s our intention for him to be in the car in 2024" - Christian Horner

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Checo's total cost in car damage is currently 3,2$ Million (so far)!

The Red Bull Team stopped all the RB19 upgrades during the summer break , just to save money (budget) for the development of the 2024 RB20 car .
This means that 3,2$ Million is gone for the RB20 upgrades .

Don't know which team or team mate would be happy with that ...'
As I said : Checo's situation at the Red Bull Team is very complicated .

All he says is sorry and probably ignores the mechanics that have to repair his mishaps.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by dfox

Is it though? Or is that what the media and all of the uboobers want everyone to believe? Gotta keep people clicking on their videos and re-tweeting their twats.

Following the Mexico GP:

"How many times do I have to repeat this? Checo has a contract for 2024 and that will happen" - Helmut Marko

"Checo [Perez] has an agreement with us for next year and that’s our intention for him to be in the car in 2024" - Christian Horner

I said that Checo's situation is very complicated (as it is)! And I didn't say that he wouldn't get his RB 2024 seat .

You don't have to repeat it mate : Everyone just sees it , Checo is driving very bad in the last 10 races ..
I think Red Bull just keeps Checo , because he brings Mexican sponsor deals in ..

[///M Power-Belgium]

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[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

I said that Checo's situation is very complicated (as it is)! And I didn't say that he wouldn't get his RB 2024 seat .

You don't have to repeat it mate : Everyone just sees it , Checo is driving very bad in the last 10 races ..
I think Red Bull just keeps Checo , because he brings Mexican sponsor deals in ..

Weather prediction is that on quali time there is a large chance of rain, about 67% so lets hope for some nice show boating
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/24660...x-weekend.html

[Killed by Death]

Hey, I just discovered this coming out on Hulu

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Weather prediction is that on quali time there is a large chance of rain, about 67% so lets hope for some nice show boating
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/24660...x-weekend.html

Update !

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Hey, I just discovered this coming out on Hulu

Good one KbD !
As Brawn says 'Once F1 gets into your blood, it'll never let go'. He can read all our minds!

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Update !

Checo must be praying non stop for that, then just two races to worry about and every chance of possibly beating HAM..

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Checo must be praying non stop for that, then just two races to worry about and every chance of possibly beating HAM..

Someone else is having a shot at the "19 race wins in a season" challenge though.

[jkoral]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

The bitching is peculiar. RBR already won both championships by a mile. What the effing else do people want ?

The reality is Max the driver has more points than Mercedes the team (491 to 371) and more than double the points of Checo.

I would love RBR's teammate to be as close to Max as possible and this season should have been filled with RBR 1-2 finishes.

While I do believe Max is a generational talent (no denying that, even from a Lewis fan), there has to be other drivers that could better complement Max and the team.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Someone else is having a shot at the "19 race wins in a season" challenge though.

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It will probably take place after all and we know Max holds nearly all the cards.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...-war/10541561/