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I never ask for preferential service my cars are not at that level, $3 to $5 depending on service is it for me. Never below 20% on food/drinks unless the entire service , chef, waiter, bar service totally sucked, but bringing my car back 3/5 bucks is more than enough even if they run to get it. Average $30 an hour at a busy spot is good money for non skilled labor.
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Almost all people with this attitude (and others) have probably never worked in a service industry -- which, I might add, is where many new jobs are coming from in this country. It can be lucrative -- quite lucrative -- and there are plenty of people out there who enjoy the work and don't want to do anything else. I'm not saying that most valet staff fall into that category, but those who I've known do it because it's a good gig to have compared to a lot of others at its level. The tipping model is flawed, to be sure. But there are those who far prefer that over a set wage in certain types of jobs -- valet being one of them. What it is is incentive to learn how to be of good service to others, which is a valuable skill in pretty much any profession.
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Spend some time in Asia and your perspective will shift. I met one guy in Shanghai who owns a tiny little shop. Literally all this guy does all day every day for his entire life is make scallion pancakes. That's it. His whole life he's done nothing else. Another guy I saw in Tokyo his spine was permanently fucked up from spending 60 years bouncing on his side on a giant rolling pin to make noodles. That's all he's ever done. They make next to nothing but are literally the best in the world at what they do. I'm not comparing that to parking cars, but at the same time prestige of job does not have to equal merits of respecting the person doing it. My father's a physician now but he spent summers as a kid working in a tire factory to help put food on the table. I never judge anyone doing any job no matter how bad it seems to me beyond are the working hard and taking some pride in whatever they're doing.
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That's fine and all but how does that justify $10-20 to move my car 50'? There's some artistry and artisanal value in the examples you named above. There isn't one iota of artistry or artisanal value in moving a car.
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All it takes is to go to a nice restaurant in Europe vs in the US. Tip based wages certainly make for a rewards based service. Valet may not be the ne plus ultra of the model, but I'll take someone relying on my tip well before a well paid service person who gives two f's if I enjoy my experience.
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Think the whole point of the discussion was not to focus on normal give the guy your keys and watch him drive off in your car. Anyone who wasn't raised in a barn should know that's anything up to $5 depending on the place and the quality of service. For this outside the norm situation OP didn't know what to do and wisely polled the group rather than make an ass of himself. My point with those examples which are "menial" jobs by western standards is that no matter what you do, do it well. Valet parking included.
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When valet has to park my car or drive to a garage, I usually tip $5.
Here in Tampa where I may want to keep the car upfront near the entrance for example, Berns/Ocean Prime restaurants I am wondering if $20 is customary. |
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Newsflash: Those salespeople are not necessarily being presumptuous. They are judging your potential based on how you present yourself. Good salespeople do this well. Good judges of anything related to people do this well. Here's an example: If I'm interviewing two males for a job, and the only real difference between the two is one is wearing an off-the-rack Armani suit while the other is wearing a well-tailored Jos A Bank suit, guess which one I'd hire? Jos A Bank man. Presentation matters, no matter your resources. You don't have to wear your resources on your back (sic) to be taken seriously. But you do have to show others who don't know you from Joe Schmo (sic) that you have your sh** together.
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You don't need to spend $10k to look good. My brother wears custom Brioni head to toe every single day and looks like shit most of the time. You can do just fine at suit supply if you take care of your shit. And lots of really really smart people, like top 1% of 1%, dress like shit and can't carry on a conversation. But It doesn't matter. The rest of us "normal folk" have to look borderline respectable and sane.
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$2 bucks max. I'm a really stingy guy when it comes to parting with $$ on things I don't care for. If a valet doesn't like me cause I didn't give him another couple bucks I really don't care. It's not like they'll still remember after an hour.
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I'm split on this idea. While I agree with you, I have noticed in places like Europe, where tips are not customary, a lot of waiters/waitresses don't give a shyt about providing good service. Tips incentivize people to work harder.
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I partially agree with this. It would be better in a lot of ways to just get paid an actual wage, but there are definitely things a Valet can do to go above and beyond. For example, I always sprinted to get the car and got it back to the customer as fast as possible, especially in the cold or in non favorable weather. Also, I always turn on headlights for customers when it's dark so they won't forget to, I never adjust the seat or mirrors and leave it to their personal settings, and when I Tell them if i have the parking brake on or not, and I Leave the AC, Radio, etc. exactly how I found it and never mess with it. And If you hold the car door for the customer it helps a lot on tip, esp. with the elderly. Some of my co-workers were really shitty and didn't do those things and got shitty tips. The running to the car is a big one, but most of these things are really little in the grand scheme of things and Valet probably would be better off paid a flat hourly rate.
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No comprehension issue at all, just a somewhat tangential conversation. To bend the rules and allow you to self-park, I think a $20 is appropriate, but others have said that already. Now can we get back to bitching about tipping valets in general? lol
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Service sucks everywhere, tipping is expected in the states and in Canada, there's no fuckign way you can leave a bar or restaurant without tipping and not be just about lynched. Europeans just don't give a fuck in general as they don't work anywhere near as hard as in the US, Canada or Australia (for better or worse). |
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