air france airbus vanishes over the atlantic

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Originally Posted by jzhang

episode 1 season 1 of LOST

new Reality series???

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Originally Posted by Blake

well the training is essentially the same, but the only variable is the pilot him/herself. one can be taught to do anything naturally, but i will not disagree that experience in invaluable. any pilot with basic understanding of the type aircraft can fly virtually any airplane with a checklist and a list of V speeds, but you can't replace experience in emergency situations.

that's why simulators and annual / semi-annual check is required....

i remember i read somewhere that an experience British or American pilot was hired in a Chinese airline for a Captain position flying domestically and training the airlines cadets....
there was one take off he let the cadet (First officer) to be PF (pilot flying)....there's some crosswinds during take off....and the cadet stepped the rudder and counter it....it went well until VR when the cadet pulled the stick....he forgot to turn the alerion to offset the different airspeed caused by the crosswind flow pass both wings....(naturally one wing will have more lift than other due to crosswind and you have to counter it with rudder and alerion).....
so one side of wing is about to dip into the tarmac....as cadat fails to counter it....the captain yelled and took over the control....the rest of the flight is routine....then afterwards....he asked the cadet what happened....the cadet replied the training never taught him to do it.....

i'm jsut saying....training is useful....if the instructor taught the cadets if right thing....(another example of American A300 crashed in NYC)...

[Blake]

Originally Posted by E90SLAM

the cadet replied the training never taught him to do it.....

that doesn't make any sense! that's like lesson 1 of crosswind operations.

but with relation to pilot experience in asian and middle-eastern airlines, there are a lack of qualified pilots for them domestically. it's much more expensive to train and obtain your pilots license, especially in asia, making it nearly impossible for the average aspiring pilot to obtain his or her goals. therefore, their hiring pool is next to nothing, leaving their only option to import talent.

now, the average heavily experience american pilot does not want to uproot their life in america to live in a foreign country where another language is spoken. most of them have families, wives/husbands, cars, pets, friends, etc. here and don't want to leave that life. the only choice a lot of the airlines have is young pilots fresh out of college with relatively low flight experience. these are the ones that are willing to sacrifice more to get ahead. plus, don't tell me that every newbie professional pilot doesn't want to fly the big jets right away. i'm not endorsing that it's right, i'm just saying that it's highly sought after.

there is nothing wrong with pilot training in america, it's still the gold standard.

[Bols]

Originally Posted by Blake

that particular accident you're talking about was an aeroperu 757 that was being washed and waxed by ground crews and the static ports were taped over. the static ports are critical for accurate readings for airspeed, altitude, vertical speed indications. once the static port is blocked, you won't necessarily get false readings right away, but eventually you will.

Yea the one where they flew right into the ocean cause the equipment said they were too high. Even the readings sent to the tower were completely wrong so they had no chance of getting good numbers. Think it happened to another flight before it aswell, but other kinds of warnings. Was a few years earlier though.

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Anywayz, here's the Airbus A330-200 (F-GZCP).

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Originally Posted by Blake

that doesn't make any sense! that's like lesson 1 of crosswind operations.

but with relation to pilot experience in asian and middle-eastern airlines, there are a lack of qualified pilots for them domestically. it's much more expensive to train and obtain your pilots license, especially in asia, making it nearly impossible for the average aspiring pilot to obtain his or her goals. therefore, their hiring pool is next to nothing, leaving their only option to import talent.

now, the average heavily experience american pilot does not want to uproot their life in america to live in a foreign country where another language is spoken. most of them have families, wives/husbands, cars, pets, friends, etc. here and don't want to leave that life. the only choice a lot of the airlines have is young pilots fresh out of college with relatively low flight experience. these are the ones that are willing to sacrifice more to get ahead. plus, don't tell me that every newbie professional pilot doesn't want to fly the big jets right away. i'm not endorsing that it's right, i'm just saying that it's highly sought after.

there is nothing wrong with pilot training in america, it's still the gold standard.

i went to interview with CX before...
always love to fly wide-bodies....

well....there's plenty of western pilots got hired to asian countries, middle-east because of their expansion....they're desprate with qualified pilots...and they will almost offer anything the company can offer....
anywayz...i remember i read the article from Airways or some magazine...

just to add...some chinese pilots are trained in China....which i'm not sure how well is their courses compare to US....IMO....America, Western Europe, and Australia have the best pilot training in the world....

[Bols]

God, if that thing hits the water, even on a good descent, the under-the-wing engines competely block it from gliding thus flipping it over and tearing it into pieces. (not that there's planecrashes that don't suck if you're in the plane i guess)

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Originally Posted by Blake

that doesn't make any sense! that's like lesson 1 of crosswind operations.

there is nothing wrong with pilot training in america, it's still the gold standard.

it might be taught here in US and other countries...but some airline/ flight school might not be as well taught as here in US.....

especially when the airline wants the pilot to get inline and fly for revenure ASAP...they want the minimum qualification anywayz....

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Originally Posted by Bols

God, if that thing hits the water, even on a good descent, the under-the-wing engines competely block it from gliding thus flipping it over and tearing it into pieces. (not that there's planecrashes that don't suck if you're in the plane i guess)

i think in the middle of atlantic ocean....the engines are the least of ur problem....rough sea...no rescue to be there for a long time.....will the airframe be intact at all.....

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Slightly off topic....just what bothers me is....some cadets just lack of natural instinct to flying....as some just treated is a regular job and they dun care about flying at all....they pick this job just because its available and provide good money in their country.....

[Blake]

Originally Posted by E90SLAM

it might be taught here in US and other countries...but some airline/ flight school might not be as well taught as here in US.....

LOL...this reminds me of a story when i was at ATP flight school. this pilot from some african country flew in to take his ATP so he could fly trans-oceanic routes...anyway, he had been flying for whatever national airline of his country of origin, 10 years flight experience in B752's, thousands of hours. he failed his written, oral, and flight practical 3 times and left home unsuccessful. so scary!

Originally Posted by E90SLAM

Slightly off topic....just what bothers me is....some cadets just lack of natural instinct to flying....as some just treated is a regular job and they dun care about flying at all....they pick this job just because its available and provide good money in their country.....

i haven't seen that often, thank god. most career pilots i know got into it because they love flying, not because of the shitty pay, long hours, up to weeks at a time away from home, post-911 security, awful benefits, unstable job security, and the always looming furlough. so yea...anyone considering being a pilot, that's reality

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i dont think there are any survivors

[Bols]

Originally Posted by Phiberglass

I know where it is.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sadd...08261&t=h&z=18

Don't think they had the luck of flying over lost 4 (whatever number they're at) island.

[just4kickz]

Originally Posted by jzhang

episode 1 season 1 of LOST

damn straight!

somebody better kill bad ben asap

[yomama69]

Maybe they took a wrong turn and ended up here....

http://maps.google.com/maps?client=f...521484&t=h&z=6

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Originally Posted by Blake

LOL...this reminds me of a story when i was at ATP flight school. this pilot from some african country flew in to take his ATP so he could fly trans-oceanic routes...anyway, he had been flying for whatever national airline of his country of origin, 10 years flight experience in B752's, thousands of hours. he failed his written, oral, and flight practical 3 times and left home unsuccessful. so scary!



i haven't seen that often, thank god. most career pilots i know got into it because they love flying, not because of the shitty pay, long hours, up to weeks at a time away from home, post-911 security, awful benefits, unstable job security, and the always looming furlough. so yea...anyone considering being a pilot, that's reality

its not often here....but its not far from what happening in China.....over-expanding fleet and route is dangerous for an airline if they do not have a strong foundation of pilot training and mentor....

[SC335]

So crazy!! I was on the exact flight 2 weeks ago from Rio back to Stuttgart.

[TiAg335i]

wth? don't they have some sort of tracking device on these planes that will easily allow them to see where it is even in the event of crash?

[lauer87]

Originally Posted by Bols

Makes me wonder what it was doing in the storm tho, don't they usually see these coming ?

If you saw the size of the storm in question, the plane probably didn't have enough extra fuel on board to fly around it. The theory is the pilot decided to fly through it, using his on-board weather radar, got hit by a bolt of lightning which knocked out the weather radar, and then he was "flying blind" through the storm.

[lauer87]

Originally Posted by TiAg335i

wth? don't they have some sort of tracking device on these planes that will easily allow them to see where it is even in the event of crash?

The transponders don't communicate very well under a few thousand feet of water normally.

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Originally Posted by lauer87

If you saw the size of the storm in question, the plane probably didn't have enough extra fuel on board to fly around it. The theory is the pilot decided to fly through it, using his on-board weather radar, got hit by a bolt of lightning which knocked out the weather radar, and then he was "flying blind" through the storm.

Maybe ther storm front is too wide for the aircraft to deviate....

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Originally Posted by lauer87

The transponders don't communicate very well under a few thousand feet of water normally.

As rumor indiated there's an electric problem from AF HQ received the airplane's last ACARS message.....it might threw everything off....the last thing now to depend are the SAR teams and both CVR/FDR beacons.....