The official "Ask a cop/deputy anything!" thread

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

It's 2021…….I patrol in L.A. County with a crap ass D.A. in a state that is about to legalize hallucinogens and other dangerous drugs (…like Oregon did) and a Governor who reduces certain sex crimes involving children from felonies down to misdemeanors. All of those plants in that grow house were, you guessed it, mere misdemeanor offenses. Effectively a slap on the wrist.

Seriously? I did not realize it was that far gone. I don't know anything about these sex crimes against children being misdemeanor or where the line is drawn, might have to safely Google that, but I think that would probably be the point I find most disturbing.

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

Seriously? I did not realize it was that far gone. I don't know anything about these sex crimes against children being misdemeanor or where the line is drawn, might have to safely Google that, but I think that would probably be the point I find most disturbing.

It's not just California, although they have some real issues with the governor and his views on crime. But have a look at what happens north of the border. Western democracies are getting away from punishing criminals and trying to rehabilitate them. On the surface a good idea, however governments roll is to protect society and citizens (we're pretty tightly regulated when it comes to protecting ourselves) so violent dangerous criminals should be kept away from law abiding citizens, but that's clearly not happening is it.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

Seriously? I did not realize it was that far gone. I don't know anything about these sex crimes against children being misdemeanor or where the line is drawn, might have to safely Google that, but I think that would probably be the point I find most disturbing.

For example….

…if I find you with photographs of naked children/child porn plastered all over your bedroom walls, it is now only a misdemeanor as long as the photos don't depict actual sex.

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

For example….

…if I find you with photographs of naked children/child porn plastered all over your bedroom walls, it is now only a misdemeanor as long as the photos don't depict actual sex.

So as I understand it pedophilia has no cure, and I get that it's a sickness but this takes me back to the premise of protecting society from people who are dangerous. Now maybe the guy with the pics on his bedroom wall has never touched a child or directly harmed a child but those pictures came from someone who did. We have lost the plot.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Murf993

So as I understand it pedophilia has no cure, and I get that it's a sickness but this takes me back to the premise of protecting society from people who are dangerous. Now maybe the guy with the pics on his bedroom wall has never touched a child or directly harmed a child but those pictures came from someone who did. We have lost the plot.

Take away the fear of punishment and it empowers criminality. Our D.A. isn't prosecuting for a bunch of crimes and criminals know this……even better than we do.

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by Murf993

So as I understand it pedophilia has no cure, and I get that it's a sickness but this takes me back to the premise of protecting society from people who are dangerous. Now maybe the guy with the pics on his bedroom wall has never touched a child or directly harmed a child but those pictures came from someone who did. We have lost the plot.

Agreed. No common sense anymore.

[mahalom3]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Appreciate that! Last year took a lot out of me/us……in every capacity and in every major metropolitan area across the United States. So much, in fact, that I have adjusted my plan. I plan to be out of patrol in 2-3 years max. I will promote and take on some other tasks. I'm networking a ton right now.

That is one of the reason why I stop being proactive. I just do the bear minimum and answer calls for service. Our jails won't take anyone with a misdemeanor crime.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by mahalom3

That is one of the reason why I stop being proactive. I just do the bear minimum and answer calls for service. Our jails won't take anyone with a misdemeanor crime.

You and me both. I answer calls for service and slow roll to non-emergent/non-priority calls, taking the maximum time allowable by policy (…which is an hour).

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

You and me both. I answer calls for service and slow roll to non-emergent/non-priority calls, taking the maximum time allowable by policy (…which is an hour).

I get this, it's a shame that folks who just want to get along have to suffer because of politicians who cater to the criminals.

[mahalom3]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

You and me both. I answer calls for service and slow roll to non-emergent/non-priority calls, taking the maximum time allowable by policy (…which is an hour).

We have to deal with BWC, RIPA, of course the Use of Force being within policy.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Murf993

I get this, it's a shame that folks who just want to get along have to suffer because of politicians who cater to the criminals.

It becomes a liability exercise, as you well know. Do I/we want to rush to this suspicious person call or proactively look for suspicious people only to find that person/those people, get into force or an OIS and ultimately end up vilified by the media and/or sued for trying to help?!?!

[mahalom3]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

It becomes a liability exercise, as you well know. Do I/we want to rush to this suspicious person call or proactively look for suspicious people only to find that person, get into force or an OIS and ultimately end up vilified by the media and/or sued for trying to help?!?!

Oh yeah! Any OIS now is being investigated by DOJ!

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by mahalom3

Oh yeah! Any OIS now is being investigated by DOJ!

Looking to hang us out to dry is what they are intending to do. Gascon keeps looking for L.A. County cases to reopen and prosecute.

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

It becomes a liability exercise, as you well know. Do I/we want to rush to this suspicious person call or proactively look for suspicious people only to find that person/those people, get into force or an OIS and ultimately end up vilified by the media and/or sued for trying to help?!?!

This is not new, just worse. I was sued on a number of occasions for my actions. The upside for us was that all liability was assumed by the employer/city. And if we were charged criminally our defence was covered by the Association (union). It was getting so bad defending officers that our dues went through the roof. And FTR, in well over 90% of criminal prosecutions police officers are acquitted.

[Sedan_Clan]

Huffing Freon. Wow!

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Huffing Freon. Wow!

Damn, is that real?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Damn, is that real?

Absolutely! Aerosols.

[TiMSport]

OMG! Well if things don't go well for him, there are some industries that might be interested.

[UncleWede]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I found out today, too, that they decided to use department personnel for Wednesday's wet lab. Ughhhh! I wanted to see UncleWede inebriated.

WTH????

So, if I show up after "pre-testing" and bang on the doors, they aren't going to let me into the classroom?????

I bet Gascon prosecutes THAT case

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Huffing Freon. Wow!

You trying to give Sara ideas here? Like seriously, take that down before she sees it or there's going to be at least one other case of it in the States....geez man!

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Absolutely! Aerosols.

Poor kid.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Poor kid.

The lips eventually go back to normal size, but there is necrosis and nerve damage. Stay away from hugging aerosols.