Las Vegas mass shooting going on

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by sleeprequired

ok I said manufacturers or associations. Your saying the NRA isn’t that powerful and doesn’t have significant influence?

Massacres are facilitated and made easier by rapid fire and high capacity weapons. It makes it easier to kill many more.

I reckon it’s pretty clear, people get pissed off, sometimes bad. If there’s a gun on hand shits going to go down that otherwise might not when they’ve had time to calm down.

How can you understand the cultural issues but not see the basic consequences and probabilities. Your own graph shows how out of balance your murder rate is of other western countries. The fundamental difference is plain to see, yet you’re looking at everything else except the one thing that’s bleedingly obvious.

Give people ready access to weapons and they’ll use them. The more deadly they are, the more people will die. It’s just that simple.

That’s why you have these deadly massacres and it sucks. Do other countries have troubles with terrorists, shit yeah but so do you guys.

What you have in your country is unique in regards to firearms and the rate and frequency with which it occurs.

When you take those high end weapons off the streets, you’ll get less of it. People will resort to other available weapons and if they’re less deadly then less will die.

You can sugar coat and deny and present lots of stats but nothing will change until you want it to.

And again my argument is important to me in trying to get through however I respect your right to disagree, and more importantly I am saddened and shocked by what happened and my heart genuinely goes out to those people who have lost their family members.

I’d like to hear from people directly affected by this and hear their opinions, if and when it was appropriate.

So is driving a truck down a crowded street (i. e. Barcelona, Berlin).

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by sleeprequired

ok I said manufacturers or associations. Your saying the NRA isn’t that powerful and doesn’t have significant influence?

Massacres are facilitated and made easier by rapid fire and high capacity weapons. It makes it easier to kill many more.

I reckon it’s pretty clear, people get pissed off, sometimes bad. If there’s a gun on hand shits going to go down that otherwise might not when they’ve had time to calm down.

How can you understand the cultural issues but not see the basic consequences and probabilities. Your own graph shows how out of balance your murder rate is of other western countries. The fundamental difference is plain to see, yet you’re looking at everything else except the one thing that’s bleedingly obvious.

Give people ready access to weapons and they’ll use them. The more deadly they are, the more people will die. It’s just that simple.

That’s why you have these deadly massacres and it sucks. Do other countries have troubles with terrorists, shit yeah but so do you guys.

What you have in your country is unique in regards to firearms and the rate and frequency with which it occurs.

When you take those high end weapons off the streets, you’ll get less of it. People will resort to other available weapons and if they’re less deadly then less will die.

You can sugar coat and deny and present lots of stats but nothing will change until you want it to.

And again my argument is important to me in trying to get through however I respect your right to disagree, and more importantly I am saddened and shocked by what happened and my heart genuinely goes out to those people who have lost their family members.

I’d like to hear from people directly affected by this and hear their opinions, if and when it was appropriate.

Associations, yes. NRA does. But it does because it is a huge organisation of common people. 5 mm

Yeah, and? You can do this with a car bomb for example too. If you want to, you can. Besides, mass shootings account for 0.01% of shooting deaths. As i said before, you actually really do have a better chance of being hit by lightning or choking to death of a bay leaf. Should we outlaw bay leaves?

It is obvious. Other countries are culturally and economically homogenous compared to here. This is why there's more killings here, not rifles.

Wrong. People with legal access to weapons don't use them. The gun crime rate of carry permit holders, myself included, are the lowest of any measurable group, including cops. Cops have access to guns, even in your country. Do they use them?

You proved my point. Terrorists do what it takes. Boston, the race in NJ, were bombs not guns. Etc etc etc

Those weapons aren't on the streets. Small concealable pistols in the hands of felons let out of jail by liberals do 90% of gun crime.

Mine too. I lost friends in 9/11 and Orlando. So you are hearing from someone directly affected.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by Flyingscotsman

Well said

Ignorantly said with only the facts given to you by the anti gun left and not the whole picture.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by F32Fleet

So is driving a truck down a crowded street (i. e. Barcelona, Berlin).

Or 9/11, or Spanish or british train bombs, etc etc

[Fundguy1]

Here's an idea Europeans. Instead of worrying about the smallest number possible of gun violence in the US, why don't you worry about all the terrorism you created in your own countries and stop importing terrorists. You have bombings, truck drive overs, beheadings, real machine guns, etc being used there. Not to mention rape gangs of Muslim men. Why not stop importing the problem and step up and help solve it. Pay your share for the U.N., NATO, send meaningful amounts of troops to kill them where they live. Instead you bring in millions. Why? Not because you feel bad for refugees. Because your socialist system makes it expensive to have babies so you have declining populations and need laborers. But you're importing people who refuse to assimilate, allow them their own sharia court systems, and look the other way to the issue when a bomb goes off at a concert. Clean up your own house first before talking about the neighbors and start making babies already before the moors retake Europe.

And one specifically for the Brits. You seem to be more worried and upset about letting the leader of the free world and yoyr biggest ally into your country more than you are letting your enemies who hate you bomb you, behead you, and suck your government funding dry. Wtf is that? At least you have to some extent sent troops to fight and you pay your dues honorably unlike the mooching continent.

[GeeRam]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Here's an idea Europeans. Instead of worrying about the smallest number possible of gun violence in the US, why don't you worry about all the terrorism you created in your own countries and stop importing terrorists. You have bombings, truck drive overs, beheadings, real machine guns, etc being used there. Not to mention rape gangs of Muslim men. Why not stop importing the problem and step up and help solve it. Pay your share for the U.N., NATO, send meaningful amounts of troops to kill them where they live. Instead you bring in millions. Why? Not because you feel bad for refugees. Because your socialist system makes it expensive to have babies so you have declining populations and need laborers. But you're importing people who refuse to assimilate, allow them their own sharia court systems, and look the other way to the issue when a bomb goes off at a concert. Clean up your own house first before talking about the neighbors and start making babies already before the moors retake Europe.

It's got nothing to do with not making babies, it's because the greater majority of the politics of Europe mistakenly believes it needs to make up for the mistakes of its 'colonial' past, and have had an open door policy for decades in respect of people from it's former governed colonies (except for Germany, that has stupidly opened its doors for even more daft reasons)

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

And one specifically for the Brits. You seem to be more worried and upset about letting the leader of the free world and yoyr biggest ally into your country more than you are letting your enemies who hate you bomb you, behead you, and suck your government funding dry. Wtf is that?

Beats the hell out of me....?

But then again, our current Govt Politicians are so useless and self centered that you could pick any of hundreds of likely reasons. Mostly to do with trying to appeal to new young voters that have no clue about life and reality, and certainly weren't around back in the bad old days of the 1970's when people of the same thinking as their new hero Comrade Corbyn last fucked up this country.

[Fundguy1]

Ahhh, so point #1 is political correctness, like why Obama barely got elected twice, that and the right putting up political candidates almost as bad as lying Hillary, and point #2 is in England at least to keep the libs in power. I still think the baby thing applies in countries like Germany and in Scandinavia.

[Lups]

Well, since i come from the country of Scandinavia, let it be said we are fucked since have our babies too late, but it is illegal to leave refugees without help.

Anyway, i am not worrying about your gun laws.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by Lups

Well, since i come from the country of Scandinavia, let it be said we are fucked since have our babies too late, but it is illegal to leave refugees without help.

Anyway, i am not worrying about your gun laws.

I don't mind helping refugees. Just don't import the ones who don't like you, gang rape and terrorize you, don't want to leave their own countries, and won't assimilate. Instead help them fix their own countries so they can stay there. And make babies.

And thank you for not worrying. We'll do just fine.

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

I don't mind helping refugees. Just don't import the ones who don't like you, gang rape and terrorize you, don't want to leave their own countries, and won't assimilate. Instead help them fix their own countries so they can stay there. And make babies.

And thank you for not worrying. We'll do just fine.

Except they are economic migrants and not refugees. Look at some of these NGO boats coming into Italy. They are packed full of African MEN (very few women), what war are they running from?

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by Delta0311

Except they are economic migrants and not refugees. Look at some of these NGO boats coming into Italy. They are packed full of African MEN (very few women), what war are they running from?

True. A lot are young me and a lot are not fleeing war. They see a system they can take advantage of and do so. Others like Syrians are full of extremists and very few women an children. Here's what you're bringing in. Disrespectful, hateful, regard non Muslim women as infidels beneath dogs to be used as sex toys, etc. Good luck.
https://m.liveleak.com/view?i=be0_1442246364&comments=1

[Flyingscotsman]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

People with legal access to weapons don't use them.

Really??

What the fuck just happened in Las Vegas??

Your arguments are ridiculous.

[seedyrom]

Yeah. America and some members here are like an alcoholic arguing that they don’t have a drinking problem.

The rest of the world is trying to hold an intervention to highlight the problem, but they are saying:
“it’s not a problem! I want to drink. If drinking was so bad, why is it legal?”

Yeah, but shitting the bed every few days shows you aren’t being responsible

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by Flyingscotsman

Really??

What the fuck just happened in Las Vegas??

Your arguments are ridiculous.

It's not arguments. It's stating the facts. My retort was to if people have guns they will use them. Wrong. You cannot take them all away. It's impossible. Zero chance. A civil war would start first in the U.S. This isn't Austrailia. There are 300 million guns in the U.S. I don't see 30p million people shooting each other. Your argument thst having a gun means you'll use it. I have one. I haven't. Not for 20 yrs. The people who use the guns are the ones who aren't allowed to have them. 90% of gun crime is committed by repeat gun crime felons. Lock them up for a looooong time instead of letting them out quickly. Felons without gun crime history also do a big chunk of what's left. Prevent felons from getting them as much as possible and have big strict sentences for gun crimes which will deter them from using them. That would clean up 95% of the mess. Then require psychiatric physicians to report people with mental issues that could be dangerous. That would also stop a good chunk of whats left and the vast majority of the shooting sprees. Now you're down to 99% of gun crime gone and the 99% of guns that are owned and used legally to protect and defend are still out there further reducing crime.

Carry permit holders, 10s of millions out there who carry guns daily, commit almost zero gun crime but prevent 2mm crimes a year. Should we disarm them?
The police carry guns. Should we disarm the police? They do more gun crime than the carry permit holders.
Or should we disarm the law abiding citizens, the ones who are the good guys, and just leave the criminals armed. They don't follow laws. They will always have guns. Who then will protect you? The cops? They didn't in Vegas, or next door to my house. They just clean up the mess and try to find out who killed you and your family so they won't kill someone else.

Sorry, but you make no sense. Your ignorance and quick to judge attitude about the subject is staggering and attitude of self righteousness laughable.

[Flyingscotsman]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

It's not arguments. It's stating the facts. My retort was to if people have guns they will use them. Wrong. You cannot take them all away. It's impossible. Zero chance. A civil war would start first in the U.S. This isn't Austrailia. There are 300 million guns in the U.S. I don't see 30p million people shooting each other. Your argument thst having a gun means you'll use it. I have one. I haven't. Not for 20 yrs. The people who use the guns are the ones who aren't allowed to have them. 90% of gun crime is committed by repeat gun crime felons. Lock them up for a looooong time instead of letting them out quickly. Felons without gun crime history also do a big chunk of what's left. Prevent felons from getting them as much as possible and have big strict sentences for gun crimes which will deter them from using them. That would clean up 95% of the mess. Then require psychiatric physicians to report people with mental issues that could be dangerous. That would also stop a good chunk of whats left and the vast majority of the shooting sprees. Now you're down to 99% of gun crime gone and the 99% of guns that are owned and used legally to protect and defend are still out there further reducing crime.

Carry permit holders, 10s of millions out there who carry guns daily, commit almost zero gun crime but prevent 2mm crimes a year. Should we disarm them?
The police carry guns. Should we disarm the police? They do more gun crime than the carry permit holders.
Or should we disarm the law abiding citizens, the ones who are the good guys, and just leave the criminals armed. They don't follow laws. They will always have guns. Who then will protect you? The cops? They didn't in Vegas, or next door to my house. They just clean up the mess and try to find out who killed you and your family so they won't kill someone else.

Sorry, but you make no sense. Your ignorance and quick to judge attitude about the subject is staggering and attitude of self righteousness laughable.

I make no sense??!!

You stated that people with legal access guns don't use them.
You write this on a fucking thread which is all about someone who, with legal access to guns, has just used them to kill almost 60 people and injure over 500 in one hit.

Don't you see how ridiculous your comments are??

Good god man, I truly worry about you.

[Fundguy1]

Want to fix this
1. Make gun crime federal crime. Take the liberal states and judges out of it.
2. Impose heavy mandatory sentences.
-felons with guns get 10 yrs
-crime with a gun 10 yrs
-repeat gun criminal 30 yrs
3. Gave the fbi or ATF investigate any person stockpiling assault weapons. It's legal, but find out why.
4. Require psychiatric physicians to report dangerous patients who they feel should not have firearms. Require a hearing to prove you're competent to have them if they are sane and want one after
5. Set federal guidelines for carry permits and what type of gun is legal. Take the states out of it.
5.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by Flyingscotsman

I make no sense??!!

You stated that people with legal access guns don't use them.
You write this on a fucking thread which is all about someone who, with legal access to guns, has just used them to kill almost 60 people and injure over 500 in one hit.

Don't you see how ridiculous your comments are??

Good god man, I truly worry about you.

It was a reply to what you said taken out of context which I just defined in a long reply you child.

You said
Give people ready access to weapons and they’ll use them. The more deadly they are, the more people will die. It’s just that simple.

I said
Wrong. People with legal access to weapons don't use them. The gun crime rate of carry permit holders, myself included, are the lowest of any measurable group, including cops. Cops have access to guns, even in your country. Do they use them?

You implied if a legal gun owner, like me, has an assault rifle, like me a few times over, I'll use it. I said, no. Will one in 100,000,000? Yes.

What are you CNN or BBC?

[seedyrom]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Your argument thst having a gun means you'll use it. I have one. I haven't. Not for 20 yrs. The people who use the guns are the ones who aren't allowed to have them.

The fuck?

A couple of pages back, you were talking up how you’ve used your gun three times to prevent crimes.
Now this is 20 years ago?

Your argument gets diluted the more you talk

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by seedyrom

The fuck?

A couple of pages back, you were talking up how you’ve used your gun three times to prevent crimes.
Now this is 20 years ago?

Your argument gets diluted the more you talk

I used it legally, not to commit a crime. As do 2mm people a year in the USA. Did I shoot it? No. Did I commit a crime? No. Did I call the cops also? Yes. We're talking illegal use you arse. And I've been a carry permit holder for 17 yrs and gun owner for 35. I've had to draw 3 times in the past 5 yrs. Does that help your timeline? What would you do if you're being carjacked or your dwelling broken into? Use harsh language? Wait 55 min for the cops? That's how long it took for them to respond.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by seedyrom

Yeah. America and some members here are like an alcoholic arguing that they don’t have a drinking problem.

The rest of the world is trying to hold an intervention to highlight the problem, but they are saying:
“it’s not a problem! I want to drink. If drinking was so bad, why is it legal?”

Yeah, but shitting the bed every few days shows you aren’t being responsible

Rest of the world is ass backwards. My post on "refugees" was about that. They wanted yo ban kitchen knives in the UK because they became the new murder weapon of choice be hard next, cricket bats? Candlesticks? How does a girl in the UK protect herself from a crazy ex boyfriend? Or a mugger? Or an intruder? Call the cops after she's beaten and raped?

[seedyrom]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

I used it legally, not to commit a crime. As do 2mm people a year in the USA. Did I shoot it? No. Did I commit a crime? No. Did I call the cops also? Yes. We're talking illegal use you arse. And I've been a carry permit holder for 17 yrs and gun owner for 35. I've had to draw 3 times in the past 5 yrs. Does that help your timeline? What would you do if you're being carjacked or your dwelling broken into? Use harsh language? Wait 55 min for the cops? That's how long it took for them to respond.

Do what the rest of the world does?




Glad to see you clarified that illegal firearm owners use them illegally.
Thanks scoop.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by seedyrom

Do what the rest of the world does?




Glad to see you clarified that illegal firearm owners use them illegally.
Thanks scoop.

Yw. I do that to. But whats my wife, or my 80 yr old parents gonna do? What about when facing an armed criminal? As far as illegal owners using them illegally, this IS the problem. Not the legal owners. Firearm ownership laws won't change that. They only empower the criminals and make the helpless more helpless. Sentencing for firearm illegal use is the answer.