Still want an EV? (NO POLITICS)

[Car-Addicted]

OOPSY
Siemens Energy’s flop puts brakes on green race
LONDON, Aug 7 (Reuters Breakingviews) - Siemens Energy’s (ENR1n.DE) growing wind woes will have wider repercussions. The $13 billion German group unveiled on Monday a 2.2 billion euro ($2.4 billion) charge because of quality issues linked to its troubled wind turbine unit Siemens Gamesa. The charges will lead to a net loss of 4.5 billion euros for the fiscal year to the end of September 2023, more than three times what Jefferies analysts had expected.
But a dramatic dial-back may compromise renewable goals in Germany and beyond. Global turbine installations have already dipped 20% last year from 2021 levels, and are 32% below 2020, a record year.

https://www.reuters.com/breakingview...ce-2023-08-07/

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for new technologies but at a rate developed by the free market and not force feed by government green ideologues who think that modern monetary theory will solve all their ignorance by just printing more money.

[M5Rick]

Jag EV suv exploding more than once while burning putting firemens safety at risk.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?sca_...id:g4vcGnxD7hQ

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

OOPSY
Siemens Energy’s flop puts brakes on green race
LONDON, Aug 7 (Reuters Breakingviews) - Siemens Energy’s (ENR1n.DE) growing wind woes will have wider repercussions. The $13 billion German group unveiled on Monday a 2.2 billion euro ($2.4 billion) charge because of quality issues linked to its troubled wind turbine unit Siemens Gamesa. The charges will lead to a net loss of 4.5 billion euros for the fiscal year to the end of September 2023, more than three times what Jefferies analysts had expected.
But a dramatic dial-back may compromise renewable goals in Germany and beyond. Global turbine installations have already dipped 20% last year from 2021 levels, and are 32% below 2020, a record year.

https://www.reuters.com/breakingview...ce-2023-08-07/

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for new technologies but at a rate developed by the free market and not force feed by government green ideologues who think that modern monetary theory will solve all their ignorance by just printing more money.

This. It's the same here with our lot, higher taxes with 'stealth' ones brought in quietly on bad news days punishing ppl for decades with hare brained schemes like forcing EV's on us.

[gblansten]

https://thedriven.io/2023/08/14/sorr...electric-cars/

LOL

[Car-Addicted]

Major fire on Fremantle Highway could have been prevented, expert says

The major fire on the cargo ship Fremantle Highway could have been prevented with the right extinguishing system on board, at least that's what Cor Meedendorp, director of FIFI4Marine, claims. His company specializes in fighting lithium fires on board ships. The company is now also starting to install extinguishing systems in parking garages where electric cars are parked and charged.

According to the lithium expert, major investments are needed to make cargo ships fireproof. "And the person who decides that is usually not the technician, but the person sitting behind the computer," Meedendorp argues. "If you're a shipping company and you have 50 or 100 ships and you have to invest 2 to 3 million euros per ship to install another extinguishing system, it's often cheaper to keep the insurance premium a little higher. And to 'just' put up with one of your ships burning down once every 10 years," he continues
https://nltimes.nl/2023/08/13/major-...ed-expert-says

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by gblansten

https://thedriven.io/2023/08/14/sorr...electric-cars/

LOL

Omg it’s a miracle an EV didn’t spontaneously combust! Victory for all EVs

Seriously… all cars can potentially explode, this is not a win for EV nor for ICE. In this case, it’s just a ship that exploded carrying cars.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by kyriian

Omg it’s a miracle an EV didn’t spontaneously combust! Victory for all EVs

EV folks are now celebrating when their cars DON'T spontaneously combust. It's a wierd, wierd world.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by kyriian

Omg it’s a miracle an EV didn’t spontaneously combust! Victory for all EVs

Seriously… all cars can potentially explode, this is not a win for EV nor for ICE. In this case, it’s just a ship that exploded carrying cars.

Don’t know where the celebration projection fantasy came from. I’m just mildly amused.

[chad86tsi]

Still want an EV to save the world from certain doom? Consider this:

In a recent Senate hearing, Sen. John Kennedy (R-LA) managed to extract from the deputy energy secretary three critical admissions concerning emissions.

One, the United States is currently responsible for only 13% of global carbon emissions, and we cannot control what China, India, or other countries do;

two, it will cost an estimated $50 trillion to decarbonize the U.S. by 2050;

three, the feds do not know how many degrees of warming such spending might mitigate, unsurprising given the small fraction of emissions U.S. actions can affect.


We could stop right there because even a scintilla of common sense should cause anyone to be aghast at the enormous costs with only limited and uncertain benefits of our attempts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...c6973298&ei=59

Still want an EV because you like them for how they drive or fit into your life and use-case? Enjoy, I'm happy for you.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

Still want an EV to save the world from certain doom? Consider this:

In a recent Senate hearing, Sen. John Kennedy (R-LA) managed to extract from the deputy energy secretary three critical admissions concerning emissions.

One, the United States is currently responsible for only 13% of global carbon emissions, and we cannot control what China, India, or other countries do;

two, it will cost an estimated $50 trillion to decarbonize the U.S. by 2050;

three, the feds do not know how many degrees of warming such spending might mitigate, unsurprising given the small fraction of emissions U.S. actions can affect.


We could stop right there because even a scintilla of common sense should cause anyone to be aghast at the enormous costs with only limited and uncertain benefits of our attempts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...c6973298&ei=59

Still want an EV because you like them for how they drive or fit into your life and use-case? Enjoy, I'm happy for you.

Thanks for being happy for me.

[fcman]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Thanks for being happy for me.

Woo, same. I love having all these peasants sacrificing their future and hard earned tax dollars so that I can wake up every day to a full charge

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

EV folks are now celebrating when their cars DON'T spontaneously combust. It's a wierd, wierd world.

''Phew we're lucky wifey, our EV hasn't combusted today and I'm thinking of putting it in the garage after all to charge overnight, it's next to the kids bedroom which is just above, the gubments say they're safe' What can go wrong

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

''Phew we're lucky wifey, our EV hasn't combusted today and I'm thinking of putting it in the garage after all to charge overnight, it's next to the kids bedroom which is just above, the gubments say they're safe' What can go wrong

I mentioned this in the other thread. One of my past jobs, I worked for a company that did environmental research type work. One of the projects I supported was on BEVs. The company had purchased two single family detached homes in a residential neighborhood that had garages. The project was to see if and how long it would take for hydrogen emissions to get to concentrations that would reach LEL (lower explosive levels) while charging in a closed garage. Little did I realize back then that fires are what is the bigger concern now.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Not one sentence in that article indicates the ship fire was not caused by an EV.

It indicates there is doubt as to the source of the fire. And that the initial report was also not reliable. We will have to see.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gblansten

It indicates there is doubt as to the source of the fire. And that the initial report was also not reliable. We will have to see.

Shocked! Shocked! that the headline would be so misleading from such a unbiased source.
TheDriven: is Australia's leading website for news, analysis and information about electric vehicles, and the transition to zero emissions transport.

The checks in the mail, EV's are great for the environment and I promise I won't *** in your mouth.

[fcman]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Shocked! Shocked! that the headline would be so misleading from such a unbiased source.
TheDriven: is Australia's leading website for news, analysis and information about electric vehicles, and the transition to zero emissions transport.

The checks in the mail, EV's are great for the environment and I promise I won't *** in your mouth.

you’re definitely the resident expert on posting biased sources, if you say it’s biased I believe you

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Not one sentence in that article indicates the ship fire was not caused by an EV.

Thanks to you Efthreeoh for going through it with a fine tooth comb

[fcman]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

It did not say the initial report was unreliable. The entire article tries to cast doubt using weasel wording, paragraph and sentence structure.


"A large fire on a ship carrying 3,784 new cars from off the coast of the Netherlands"

Article implying EVs are cause of ship fire simply because they were on board - A-ok

Article quoting experts claiming there is no evidence that the EVs are the cause of the fire - weasel words

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Jag EV suv exploding more than once while burning putting firemens safety at risk.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?sca_...id:g4vcGnxD7hQ

The best job so far : => https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-Mz6lgAaIe4

[fcman]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

There is no quote from the salvage company boss stating an EV was not the source of the fire. What are the boss of the salvage company credentials and expertise regarding ship fires and causes of ship fires? None stated nor validated. The author did not quote the boss of the salvage company. Zero evidence was presented in the article.

You fell for the weasel wording as was intended by the author and pro-EV website.

I never said they quoted the salvage company boss. Lol. But nice deflection of the fact that you are so easily fooled by anti-ev propaganda

[freakystyly]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

The best job so far : => https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-Mz6lgAaIe4

Is that what they mean when they say it's been towed outside the environment?

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by freakystyly

Is that what they mean when they say it's been towed outside the environment?

Yeah but ,no one wants poisoned fish in a river caused by burning toxic batteries .

#ToxicFireStarter !