F1 2024: British GP - Silverstone (July 7)

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

The FIA even said the engine did not run within regulations at all times - meaning the times it wasnt, it was illegal. They also would not have needed to 'settle' if something wasnt going on.

In Monza 2019 began the Ferrari strawberry fuel.
In 2020 Ferrari managed to fool the FIA fuel flow sensor.

Ferrari was fined $50,000 (!)

Cheat vs Weak (!)

[M5Rick]

No cheating here as it's going Belgian oops Dutch here

Never give up.

[M5Rick]

You could say Yas he did it at the Marina !!

[HeelToeShift]

So just saw some race pace info on the first 2 stints. Fastest to slowest of the top 3.

Nor - 0
Ham - .009
Max .346

The Max factor is real.

This may be an even better WDC win for Max in 2024 given it looks like over the full season he will on avg have the 3rd fastest car. Obviously he beat down Ham and MB in 2021 with a slower can with better race craft and it appears he may do the same in 2024 with an even slower car. How many WDC winners have won 1 WDC in a slower car, let alone 2?

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

No cheating here as it's going Belgian oops Dutch here

Never give up.

It's crazy how even though at 17 seconds Ham leaves the track (again) to gain an advantage on the straight (as he so often does), Max still much better on the brakes and through the corner with a move not many others would have attempted and Max pulls it off like no other. If the other way Ham probably locks up and goes straight through like he did in Baku.

[AmuroRay]

https://formulalaps.com/
Max wasn't the 3rd slowest car try tied for 1st

[Artemis]

Some considerations about Perez, but forgetting the mention the proverbial 'elephant in the room': Perez brings a bag of sponsorship money to Red Bull Racing.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

It's crazy how even though at 17 seconds Ham leaves the track (again) to gain an advantage on the straight (as he so often does), Max still much better on the brakes and through the corner with a move not many others would have attempted and Max pulls it off like no other. If the other way Ham probably locks up and goes straight through like he did in Baku.

Yeah . And here we go again , LEW ran 29 times off track in one race (!) A F1 record !

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

So just saw some race pace info on the first 2 stints. Fastest to slowest of the top 3.

Nor - 0
Ham - .009
Max .346

The Max factor is real.

This may be an even better WDC win for Max in 2024 given it looks like over the full season he will on avg have the 3rd fastest car. Obviously he beat down Ham and MB in 2021 with a slower can with better race craft and it appears he may do the same in 2024 with an even slower car. How many WDC winners have won 1 WDC in a slower car, let alone 2?

The whole 'fastest car' verification thing should be taken into consideration in such a way as to take in who is driving as part of the 'who has the fastest car '.
For instance Coulthard could do his maths more in saying who has the fastest car overall .

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

https://formulalaps.com/
Max wasn't the 3rd slowest car try tied for 1st

1.465s difference at the checquered flag. 1 or 2 extra Silverstone laps and Verstappen would have very likely passed Hamilton and won the race. But that's racing. This time around Hamilton was lucky.

Same goes for Verstappen getting lucky at the Imola 2024 race: Norris was closing in on him in the final stages. 0.725s difference at the chequered flag (used to be 5.130s at lap 50/63). 1 or 2 extra Imola laps and Norris would have very likely passed Verstappen and won the race. Feel free to check the Imola 2024 highlights from lap 51/63 onwards (4:54): Norris hunting Verstappen: here.

Bahrain 2021: 0.745s difference at the checquered flag. 1 or 2 extra Bahrain laps and Verstappen would have very likely passed Hamilton and won the race. Feel free to check the 2021 Bahrain highlights from lap 51/56 onwards (4:59): Verstappen hunting Hamilton: here.

[six_timer]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

So just saw some race pace info on the first 2 stints. Fastest to slowest of the top 3.

Nor - 0
Ham - .009
Max .346

The Max factor is real.

This may be an even better WDC win for Max in 2024 given it looks like over the full season he will on avg have the 3rd fastest car. Obviously he beat down Ham and MB in 2021 with a slower can with better race craft and it appears he may do the same in 2024 with an even slower car. How many WDC winners have won 1 WDC in a slower car, let alone 2?

With 66% of this year's poles, how does he have the 3rd fastest car?

[Artemis]

Recently at some Italian airport.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by six_timer

With 66% of this year's poles, how does he have the 3rd fastest car?

Mercedes and McLaren got good working upgrades and that made their cars faster in QF and race .

The RB20 has setup issues from the beginning of this season .
The RB20 got a new floor upgrade in Silverstone , but that looked like a downgrade .

In the last 7 races , Mercedes ran 2 poles and 2 race wins .
Lando Norris ran 6 podiums , one pole and one race win in the last 8 races.
Charlie ran the pole at Monaco and won the race .

So far , The RB20 is not the dominant car anymore. Things are changed...
But the MAX-Factor is real (!)

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Recently at some Italian airport.

Hey 44 ?!?! I really hope you didn't buy it ?

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Recently at some Italian airport.

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Italy ??

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Italy ??

Yeah . Artemis said he ran with his car in Italy (In F1 terms - In Clowns land) Kind of ///M BMW M2C group run ..
You know my friend , pushing it hard over the mountain passes is really fun (!)

I'm pretty sure , Artemis really enjoyed it

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

The whole 'fastest car' verification thing should be taken into consideration in such a way as to take in who is driving as part of the 'who has the fastest car '.
For instance Coulthard could do his maths more in saying who has the fastest car overall .

Yes, and we know Max as a driver with worth 2-3 tenths per lap in any car that no other driver is. The Mclaren and the MB were both faster on Sat and Sun yet Max's driving put the RB in contention - his ability to drive the car so smoothly across the friction circle is something you cant really teach. His car was almost undriveable in the way it was setup for the dry yet you'd hardly know it the way he reeled in Ham and Nor at the end of the inters stint. That is truly a guy who transcends the sport and raises it to a level know one ever has because he's just a raw talent that is special in how he goes about it; think of the likes of Michael Jordan in basketball, Mickey Mantel in baseball, or Djokovic/Federer in tennis, Tom Brady in football. Simply someone who is better than all those who came before and yet he is still growing at not even hit his high water mark.

It would be interested to see F1 move to spec cars...I think Max would dominate even more than his record and best F1 seasons ever we saw in 2021, 2022, and 2023. How you even have 3 record breaking seasons in a row, and knowing his car was slower in 2021, and slower in the first half of 2022 is a level I'm not even sure the GOAT Schumacher ever did - at least not that I can remember.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

Yes, and we know Max as a driver with worth 2-3 tenths per lap in any car that no other driver is. The Mclaren and the MB were both faster on Sat and Sun yet Max's driving put the RB in contention - his ability to drive the car so smoothly across the friction circle is something you cant really teach. His car was almost undriveable in the way it was setup for the dry yet you'd hardly know it the way he reeled in Ham and Nor at the end of the inters stint. That is truly a guy who transcends the sport and raises it to a level know one ever has because he's just a raw talent that is special in how he goes about it; think of the likes of Michael Jordan in basketball, Mickey Mantel in baseball, or Djokovic/Federer in tennis, Tom Brady in football. Simply someone who is better than all those who came before and yet he is still growing at not even hit his high water mark.

It would be interested to see F1 move to spec cars...I think Max would dominate even more than his record and best F1 seasons ever we saw in 2021, 2022, and 2023. How you even have 3 record breaking seasons in a row, and knowing his car was slower in 2021, and slower in the first half of 2022 is a level I'm not even sure the GOAT Schumacher ever did.

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[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

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What fuels him? That's unattainable and no one will ever know except Jos and mom,(who beat Coulthard ) but everyone else can keep on guessing.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by Artemis

1.465s difference at the checquered flag. 1 or 2 extra Silverstone laps and Verstappen would have very likely passed Hamilton and won the race. But that's racing. This time around Hamilton was lucky.

Same goes for Verstappen getting lucky at the Imola 2024 race: Norris was closing in on him in the final stages. 0.725s difference at the chequered flag (used to be 5.130s at lap 50/63). 1 or 2 extra Imola laps and Norris would have very likely passed Verstappen and won the race. Feel free to check the Imola 2024 highlights from lap 51/63 onwards (4:54): Norris hunting Verstappen: here.

Bahrain 2021: 0.745s difference at the checquered flag. 1 or 2 extra Bahrain laps and Verstappen would have very likely passed Hamilton and won the race. Feel free to check the 2021 Bahrain highlights from lap 51/56 onwards (4:59): Verstappen hunting Hamilton: here.

Again, Verstappen and McLaren had faster cars than Mercedes.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by six_timer

With 66% of this year's poles, how does he have the 3rd fastest car?

They don't, I posted the lap times - Verstappen and McLaren definitely have the fastest cars, in that order.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Yeah . Artemis said he ran with his car in Italy (In F1 terms - In Clowns land) Kind of ///M BMW M2C group run ..
You know my friend , pushing it hard over the mountain passes is really fun (!)

I'm pretty sure , Artemis really enjoyed it

M2C is perfect for a trip of this kind if you haven't too much luggage.