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I've been able to drive a few 911s on a track, and this is where they completely make sense...tenacious grip, powerful and thrilling (often leaving you in awe of its capability). I do think the GT Porsches is where the 911's rawness of experience is heightened. The GTs often don't make good daily drivers, but for a weekend fun car and a track toy, they are hard to beat (at or near MSRP). The 911 Turbo at $200k plus for me only makes sense if you're driving it every day. As a weekend, fun car, there are too many alternatives (used ones as well) that make more sense in terms of pure excitement....unless all you want to do is embarrass people at stoplights. |
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A Volcano yellow 720 was in front of me at a light several weeks ago. Dropped the window and muted TOOL. I could hear bits working in the rear. It kind of clunked into gear when he started moving, but what a sound. Even low revs sound good. Cyan is a good choice for such a wild looking car. Good ol Supernova silver is still my favorite on any newer McLaren. Getting it from Rancho Mirage by chance?
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I did consider the following as an alternative to the mac n cheese before I got it; Hurucan STO - Terrible visibility and meh performance for the price. It's just a hurucan with a body kit. Sound is awesome, but I'd rather have an R8 since it's easier to live with SF90 - Terrible dash and infotainment, boring power delivery, but looks sweet, these are going to depreciate HARD Aventador SJV - Sounds like sex but is a pretty meh drive. Transmission sucks F8 Tributo - It was just ok. I did check out one with a NASTY exhaust. sounded amazing 488 Pista - I drove two, one was a rattle trap the other was just ok Audi R8 - If I bought one I'd spend another $200k on it to build the piss out of it and twin turbo it, which would mean I'm burning 200k in a fire basically. Couldn't do it, bad capital risk. Stuff I didn't look at; 812 Competizone - I'd want a competizone because they look like sex and the engine is a musical instrument, but again, I don't want to sink this much money into a car and be subject to the insane depreciation as I put miles on it. AM V12 Vantage - Didn't want a GT car, depreciation bomb, and reliability concerns I'm after a 992 GT2 RS. I'm #2 on a list for one... We'll see if I get it. Friend sent me videos of his 3RS and it's just nasty. Looks like a whole bucket of fun.
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Do McLarens hold value better than others? I have seen data that suggest 911s hold value as a general rule. I can imagine anything British being pretty heavy depreciators, but maybe not with McLaren?
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911's hold their value better than any other car in the long run, aside from limited production/one-off/special edition cars. Anything British and relatively new is going to get obliterated on depreciation. |
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Hurucan STO - Sure the visibility sucks, but its so bonkers of a car to drive/experience in person. People loose their shit around it! A real exotic supercar! SF90 - I agree with every negative sentiment you have mentioned. Aventador SVJ - Sounds AND looks like sex. Not sure about that "meh" drive comment as I thought it was quite the experience. Lotsa money though and yes, transmission is down compared to pcar and the Mac's. F8 Tributo - Wish I had more to say about this. No experience. 488 Pista - Not a fan, uncomfortable seats, fast as f*$k, would rather have a Speciale for that special, final NA Ferrari V8 feeling. Audi R8 - Can't stand these and I have no idea why people even like them except for being the budget Huracan. Awful seating position, meh styling since they lost the side-blade, and not very engaging to drive. I would take nearly ANY Huracan over ANY R8. 812 Competezione- Have only experienced the Superfast and WHAT A MOTOR! Yes, its more of a GT car but F-me, that motor! I happen to be lucky enough to have a 1 degree of separation to Andy at Porsche GT. On occasion, little nuggets of joy get trickled down to me. He shared with one of my "well-to-do" customers that out of every GT pcar from the past decade, the GT4RS is hands down the most engaging driver's car they have made! He simply LOVES it! I have also heard that the 992.2 GT2RS will be a certifiable weapon on a level of straight-line performance with upcoming cars like the Revuelto. As a suggestion, I have yet to drive the new 296 GTB, but have only heard amazing things. Fortunate to be a person in your position to be able to consider such iconic machines!
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If you can afford an 812 Comp that’s gotta be the only choice here. I’d be surprised if they ever sell for less than MSRP regardless of mileage. Look at how much the F12 TDF market has gone up the last few years.
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https://www.lamborghiniranchomirage....UA6ZX0PLA22892 The SVJ transmission I drove sucked! It was really jerky and felt worse than a built GTR - I guess I just expect more for 6-700 bones. I also didn't like that I had to physically move the hard top to the trunk, I think the Mclaren roof panel integration is much cleaner. Noise on this was superior to everything except the 812 The sf90 was cool, but I think that digital dash and everything else in it is going to age like milk. As for the looks, I still think a mclaren looks more like a spaceship than the sf90. Because it's the first hybrid I think this car represents the worst on the list in terms of capital risk. I think I'm going to lose 40-50k on the 720s, yes sure, but I think I'd lose even more on this car. 488 pista - which seats did you sit in? I sat in the ones that had the horizontal supports, I don't think they were the race buckets. Really not bad at all. I think if the right one popped up at the right price I'd add this one to the collection 812 Comp - Dude I would love to have one, but they're a billion dollars. I specifically drove the superfast with the droptop and similar seats to what were in the Pista. This thing sounded amazing. I know it had some kind of exhaust on it (I think?). Best exhaust out of any car I've ever driven As to why my 911 was boring It's the way it makes power. Even my M5 CS was more engaging and fun than the 911. I haven't driven the 911 for a few weeks since we were returning it back to stock and got to put a few more miles on it taking it home to put glass and swap the stock wheels on it. After this drive I understood why it wasn't the right car for me; - It's smoother and more comfortable than my X5M, even in sport+, I want something more raw that feels like I have to tame it and respect it - Because it's so smooth and "refined" you don't get any sensation of speed or any sort of fun to drive unless you're going 2-3x the speed limit and in a corner - The power band is very linear and not exciting, my biggest pet peeve since it makes it feel like an electric car. It does not make you want to rip through gears, it's just that you go faster. No drama. - Factory exhaust is way too quiet even with the sport package with the valves open - God forbid you get in traffic with this, you have all the sauce but nowhere to use it, it makes for a nervous ride whereas the X5M is just a couch - With an exhaust, it sounds like a boat. Since it doesn't sound amazing I actually think the stock sport exhaust with HFC's would of been a better choice than the akrapovic I put on here. If I was looking for a daily driver sports car, it would be this car, but probably without the buckets and just the 18 ways. It's supremely comfortable, I'll say that.
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This is everyone's issue witht he 992. It started with the 991, this 911 is a GT thing and the 992 has moved it up (down?) a notch. TBH, once the entire range got blowers, killed it for me.
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Thanks. What new 2022-2024 model year fun (non-daily) car would you buy 10 years from now, hypothetically speaking? Iow in 10 years’ time what would take the place of your 911 if that were to be necessary?
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Easy, assuming I don't want a cab it's the GT350. I know it's discontinued but close enough. Otherwise, damn.....good question. Maybe the Lotus? Supercharged but close enough I guess? I dunno, I think the difficulty in answering this question is why analog cars from 15 years ago are so mind bendingly expensive. I am seeing 997.2 Carrera S coupes (manual) with low miles surpass 6 figures here in Canada, that is a WILD price. I know a 997.1, with that time bomb engine, sold for $86K CDN plus taxes. It was in superb shape etc but it's just an "S".
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