F1 2024: Italian GP - Monza (Sep 1)

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Your 2 boys in one great shot my friend !
You should put it on your wall...

The reason RBR did not bring a Monza specific rear wing, you've probably guessed it's cost cap related and Checo comes to mind.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/w...trap/10650055/

[CMW33]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Those scenes though. Regardless of which team you like, it has to give you chills

[Artemis]

Race ban for KMAG (12 penalty points).

[Marcoose]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Historically, only Hammy fans here have claimed that it's the driver, not the car.....

Not me. I’m a Hamilton fan, find him exceptional (like many other drivers are and were), but without a good car and a good team, Hamilton’s talents alone don’t win races and championships.

I’m going to, but I could link 100 posts of how Verstappen won with an inferior car. Easy. You know the cast.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Make that a 62 gap as NOR got FL, I'm not too disappointed with that with 8 races to go...and awaiting that fresh monocoque/chassis for MAX.

Yeah . As I said my friend . It means It's a panic reaction at the Red Bull Team.
Something has to be done ASAP (!)
This and just one DNF for MAX and his WDC is gone...

It won't be easy to close the gap with the McLaren papaya bullets, Mercedes and now with Ferrari as well..

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

Not me.

...

You know the cast.

Pretty much THAT cast were the people stating that when certain hammy fans said that "it's the driver, not the car", it's never 'just the driver'.....

So your impression might not be entirely correct....historically speaking.

[Marcoose]

It’s hard to wrap the noggin around how Brown/Stella/McLaren are actually helping Verstappen cement this championship. The championship will be decided by fewer than 13 points. What’s wrong with these people ?

[Marcoose]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

it's never 'just the driver'.....

Translation: The ‘Max Factor’ is a fanboi wet dream.

Roger that.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by CMW33

Those scenes though. Regardless of which team you like, it has to give you chills

Yeah as a MAX fan . I like Charlie and Ferrari a lot

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by CMW33

Those scenes though. Regardless of which team you like, it has to give you chills

True. And they ignored speaking English during most of the victory lap because of the emotions running high. Passione. That was sweet.

Ferrari outsmarted the rest with strategy. Not their strongest point, but it worked this time around. Well-deserved victory.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

The reason RBR did not bring a Monza specific rear wing, you've probably guessed it's cost cap related and Checo comes to mind.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/w...trap/10650055/

It's not the rear wing . The whole RB20 just s@cks .
The RB20 has a fundamental design flaw...

Yeah . As I said , Checo crashed a $4.5Million hole in the Red Bull budget cap.
But they won't fix the RB20 with the $4.5Million , because upgrades work like downgrades ..
That's why all the upgrades have been removed because the car ran like a stupid donkey (!)
A complete new Red Bull car is required , but that is planned for the 2025 season.
In other words : The 5H1T is real at this moment...

[Killed by Death]

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Artemis

True. And they ignored speaking English during most of the victory lap because of the emotions running high. Passione. That was sweet.

Ferrari outsmarted the rest with strategy. Not their strongest point, but it worked this time around. Well-deserved victory.

I heard Mama Mia a lot (!)

It looked like a Tifosi implosion . What a passion , Italians and Ferrari are pure passion ..
It was all RED today , I'm happy for Charlie ! What a race ...

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

As I said : CHARLIE is the KING of Italy !

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Wow what a result for LEC and Ferrari!
They made the gamble and won, well deserved!

RB for sure is the 4th team now. NOR even got the FL.
My money is on NOR now for the WDC.
But no teamorders within McLaren. That's pretty admirable.
That said, if McLaren is still this good next year, PIA is just as much a WDC contender as NOR, as he's just as good. You want to keep that peace otherwise next year could be a disaster.

Neither one js anything besides a mid fuelder in a fast car. McLaren should have kept Carlos and let Lando walk - Carlose would easily ve winning if he was at McLaren.

[CMW33]

I actually don't think McLaren goofed with the two-stop strategy. The one-stop was a risky and bold call and it didn't sound like McLaren could've made it work anyway.

A better question maybe: where did the race pace that RBR had on Friday go on Sunday? It had looked close in practice between all four teams. And then Max finishes 30-35 seconds behind Oscar and Lando on Sunday! That's arguably worse than what happened in Zandvoort. It still boggles my mind that the RB20 went from dominant in the first four races to ... whatever we want to call this...

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

Translation: The ‘Max Factor’ is a fanboi wet dream.

Roger that.

Those are not the same words. So it's your comprehension of language that misleads you.

Roger that.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by CMW33

I actually don't think McLaren goofed with the two-stop strategy. The one-stop was a risky and bold call and it didn't sound like McLaren could've made it work anyway.

It's indeed very speculative whether or not the McLaren would've managed a 1 stop. Certainly Norris' car had a lot of tyre wear.
However the hards have been known to degrade to a certain point and from there on stay consistent or sometimes improve a bit. I think that was what happening on LEC car.
But if that would happen on a McLaren...who knows...

A better question maybe: where did the race pace that RBR had on Friday go on Sunday?

Not only from friday on saturday, but from Q2 to Q3.
Max was way slower in Q3 (I believe he did a 1:19,6 or so in Q2 and was in the 1:20's in Q3) whereas most others improved in Q3 which is normal.

What RB is experiencing now looks like what Mercedes had most of last year and the year before, that performance just suddenly falls away and they don't know why. Toto said numerous times before new races that they now understand, and then after the race that they don't understand

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

Translation: The ‘Max Factor’ is a fanboi wet dream.

Roger that.

It's blatantly obvious that Max can't win without the best car. This is now 6 races in a row he lost. The Max Factor is basically "have the best car"

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by CMW33

I actually don't think McLaren goofed with the two-stop strategy. The one-stop was a risky and bold call and it didn't sound like McLaren could've made it work anyway.

A better question maybe: where did the race pace that RBR had on Friday go on Sunday? It had looked close in practice between all four teams. And then Max finishes 30-35 seconds behind Oscar and Lando on Sunday! That's arguably worse than what happened in Zandvoort. It still boggles my mind that the RB20 went from dominant in the first four races to ... whatever we want to call this...

They (Red Bull) changed the RB20 setup for the Monza Q3 (in a hurry)! to close the gap with McLaren.
But they made it worse and the gap grew from a 0.3 to a 0.7 sec. gap.

The 2024 RB20 was at Zandvoort 1 sec. faster than the 2023 RB19 (!)
This means McLaren , Mercedes and Ferrari improved a lot..
In other words : At this moment the RB20 is driving backwards by a design flaw..
If your upgrades work like a downgrade , It's a disaster (!)

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

It's blatantly obvious that Max can't win without the best car. This is now 6 races in a row he lost. The Max Factor is basically "have the best car"

Mate . I'm still waiting for 'YOU ? => https://www.m3post.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=449

[Roman]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

To steal a line from Nico Rosberg (who, by the way, was dressed like was going to an audition for a Miami Vice sequel) LEC is the king of Italy right now.