F1 2024: Monaco GP - Monte Carlo (May 26)

[HeelToeShift]

This was literally the most boring of boring races. No strategy, no pushing...no anything other than testing tire longevity.
I think the next 4-6 races will be interesting but I think the RB20 will be very strong at the traditional tracks where they can get the ride height low again and get optimal downforce like when they were 1+ second per lap faster in China, and I think the hints at the big upgrade are hopefully the right step.
It's funny, in a straight up race, Pia is really on another level compared to Nor who I simply don't think is that good and as Pia starts to outperform him, it will be funny to watch him try to drive in that style and not do well with it - kind of like how few could even attempt to drive in Max's style (which Pia is more similar too). I do think Pia got lucky here because everyone was managing tires and this is a big weakness of his.
Hopefully we get back to regularly scheduled Max winning over the next several races. A nice 5 or 6 win streak would be nice and want to see that 60th win! Also hope Per gets back up there with some 1-2 finishes.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

This was literally the most boring of boring races. No strategy, no pushing...no anything other than testing tire longevity.
I think the next 4-6 races will be interesting but I think the RB20 will be very strong at the traditional tracks where they can get the ride height low again and get optimal downforce like when they were 1+ second per lap faster in China, and I think the hints at the big upgrade are hopefully the right step.
It's funny, in a straight up race, Pia is really on another level compared to Nor who I simply don't think is that good and as Pia starts to outperform him, it will be funny to watch him try to drive in that style and not do well with it - kind of like how few could even attempt to drive in Max's style (which Pia is more similar too). I do think Pia got lucky here because everyone was managing tires and this is a big weakness of his.
Hopefully we get back to regularly scheduled Max winning over the next several races. A nice 5 or 6 win streak would be nice and want to see that 60th win! Also hope Per gets back up there with some 1-2 finishes.

Boring is a understatement for Monaco that can be compared with drip water torture.
Could well be at Montreal MAX will get his 60th win but this correlation mentioned before between the sim and real time on the car is a problem that will hopefully be sorted quickly by RBR.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

It wasn't Checo's fault . Checo was sandwiched by both HAAS cars ...
The impact of the crash against the wall at Beau Rivage was not funny for the camera crew ..

See 0:50 runtime !

It was Chico's fault for being back there with the Haas's. Result of him $hiting the bed on Saturday. He's got to go!!!!

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

We are not experts on the intricacies of the RB20 my friend but this just doesn't add up completely with the wins before, lets see what happens at Montreal, with Newey departing the racing department this is looking like Wache going in a Merc direction and sure there's something wrong if it continues at Montreal. The correlation may have been a software glitch.

If it was a software glitch , then it would be fixed in a heartbeat.
The Red Bull sponsor number one is the American 'Oracle my friend
The RB sim and car are running with best advanced software .

The RB20 setup issue is "fundamental" This means 'how the car is/was built .
And that means rumbling in the RB jungle ...

Of course , MAX won his 5 races . But that was by the MAX-Factor .
MAX at Imola : Hey guys , It's like I'm driving on ice ?!?!
Checo on the other hand , there's no way he can perform with this car .
And that's bad news for the contructors rankings...

#DesignFlaw (!)

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

It was Chico's fault for being back there with the Haas's. Result of him $hiting the bed on Saturday. He's got to go!!!!

I agree with that . But there's a reason why . See my post # 290

The crash was caused by the crazy viking ...

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

If it was a software glitch , then it would be fixed in a heartbeat.
The Red Bull sponsor number one is the American 'Oracle my friend
The RB sim and car are running with best advanced software .

The RB20 setup issue is "fundamental" This means 'how the car is/was built .
And that means rumbling in the RB jungle ...

Of course , MAX won his 5 races . But that was by the MAX-Factor .
MAX at Imola : Hey guys , It's like I'm driving on ice ?!?!
Checo on the other hand , there's no way he can perform with this car .
And that's bad news for the contructors rankings...

#DesignFlaw (!)

Then it could take a couple or more weeks, and on top of this another new car rebuild for Checo means a busy time at Milton Keynes.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Then it could take a couple or more weeks, and on top of this another new car rebuild for Checo means a busy time at Milton Keynes.

RB will take advantage of the opportunity to test some new changes on Checo's new rebuild car ..

Checo's new car will be like a test-mule in the coming races to fix the RB20 setup issues .

[///M Power-Belgium]

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

RB will take advantage of the opportunity to test some new changes on Checo's new rebuild car ..

Checo's new car will be like a test-mule in the coming races to fix the RB20 setup issues .

I was thinking this also as it's disassembled it may be an opportunity to find the design fault that's having a knock on effect on destabilising the car with the rough suspension.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

They were doing that during the race also

[G30M]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Negative mate !

bouncing like kangaroo?

BMW have some dampers they'd like to sell RB

[G30M]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

We are not experts on the intricacies of the RB20 my friend but this just doesn't add up completely with the wins before, lets see what happens at Montreal, with Newey departing the racing department this is looking like Wache going in a Merc direction and sure there's something wrong if it continues at Montreal. The correlation may have been a software glitch.

in the other thread a RB insider said Adrian has very little to do with this year's RB

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Chihuahua

That was a fun watch. Ferrari is now only 24 points down on Red Bull. Mclaren looks properly quick. I'm not so convinced Red Bull has this in the bag anymore, the next handful of races should be very telling.

are you sure?

Max won everything prior to this. Checo podiumed half the races prior to this.

pretty sure Merc are bringing upgrades for George

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by G30M

bouncing like kangaroo?

BMW have some dampers they'd like to sell RB

Yes , like a kangaroo . MAX was in the QF the fastest in sector 1 , but in sector 2 he lost 0.5 sec. over the curbs .
In other words : By jumping too much , you lose traction and time...

BWM s@cks too . Check your bearings mate !

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by G30M

in the other thread a RB insider said Adrian has very little to do with this year's RB

Newey said that he wasn't happy about something on the RB20 when he was on the project.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by G30M

in the other thread a RB insider said Adrian has very little to do with this year's RB

Pierre Waché was for 75% responsible for the RB20 design.

As you know It's always a big team of aero engineers .

Pierre Waché

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Newey said that he wasn't happy about something on the RB20 when he was on the project.

Exactly !

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

They were doing that during the race also

They have put a new asphalt layer at the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve track (Montreal GP)

It's still very slippery !

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

They have put a new asphalt layer at the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve track (Montreal GP)

It's still very slippery !

Won't be a barrel of laughs then if it should rain.

[Autobacs]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Boring is a understatement for Monaco that can be compared with drip water torture.
Could well be at Montreal MAX will get his 60th win but this correlation mentioned before between the sim and real time on the car is a problem that will hopefully be sorted quickly by RBR.

We all know it's not a race, as it's not a proper race track, but a Social event. I'm all for ditching it.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

If it was a software glitch , then it would be fixed in a heartbeat.
The Red Bull sponsor number one is the American 'Oracle my friend
The RB sim and car are running with best advanced software .

The RB20 setup issue is "fundamental" This means 'how the car is/was built .
And that means rumbling in the RB jungle ...

Of course , MAX won his 5 races . But that was by the MAX-Factor .
MAX at Imola : Hey guys , It's like I'm driving on ice ?!?!
Checo on the other hand , there's no way he can perform with this car .
And that's bad news for the contructors rankings...

#DesignFlaw (!)

Why wouldn't they just go back to the RB19 then? The RB20 has to have benefits, but given the other cars are simply copies of the RB19, I would think they could just bring back that car and already know the right setups given it won basically everything last year.
The RB20 has largely looked dominant in Max's hands and certainly seems to have significant advantages at smooth tracks, but these bumpy tracks and crap street circuits (which IMO we should be moving away from) seem to be more difficult. I don't think there is another driver who could have won 5 of 8 races like Max has, but if anyone had they would be shouting how dominant they were. Max had looked really impressive so far this season, and without the brake issue in Aus, he would have won that, and in Mia without the SC he'd have won that and we'd be looking at 7 out of 8 wins for Max which is even better.
Do you know anything about the upgrade Per hinted at?

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Boring is a understatement for Monaco that can be compared with drip water torture.
Could well be at Montreal MAX will get his 60th win but this correlation mentioned before between the sim and real time on the car is a problem that will hopefully be sorted quickly by RBR.

Let's hope so - especially seeing as Max said they knew about this since Bahrain and need to find a fix. Maybe this big upgrade is fixing this issue and has been many months in the making. I think many of the next tracks and Canada itself should suit their car.

This is why I think it's so tough in F1. You're eventually going to hit some times where things don't go right. I know Ferrari and Mclaren have made some strides, but realistically I don't think they're going to keep moving forward all the time and as we have seen this year, they have not look at consistent as the RB20 has. The R18 and RB19 both were the same though, wherein the design was not as compatible with bumpy track in which they needed to raise the ride height. I believe I had read a while back that as little as 5mm can have a 10% impact on downforce, so it's no surprise that they wouldn't be making as much or the same amount consistently across a lap.