2021 Russian GP at Sochi

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

How does the FIA investigate itself my friend with ppl like Mikey and Dijon mustard in there

[///M Power-Belgium]

3 friends !

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Mercedes is FIA's steering wheel ...

OT
Joke time. .A friends yellow 911 which is fully customised and tuned was not running right and he asked me why,I replied it must be having a Ruf time.

[M5Rick]

Highlights of the race.

[Ngilbe36]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Bring back V-10s or V-12s so MB will disappear again. I still can't believe Ferrari was stupid enough to go along with the FIA and MB to bring in the Turbo-Hybrid era fans didn't want. Racing is for sport and fun not relevancy and BS agendas. It's 20 cars, my lawn mower puts out more harmful emissions

I don't think the on track emissions was the selling point of the turbo-hybrids. It was that the HUGE engine R&D costs would also be useful to the engine manufacturers for street cars as well. Tons of small engine turbos and hybrid cars out there. Not many V10s or V12s

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by Ngilbe36

I don't think the on track emissions was the selling point of the turbo-hybrids. It was that the HUGE engine R&D costs would also be useful to the engine manufacturers for street cars as well. Tons of small engine turbos and hybrid cars out there. Not many V10s or V12s

That's what Formula E is for. I'm no engineer but I can't see much overly complicated F1 engine technology tricking down into road cars. Plenty of manufactures are getting into the turbo-hybrid game without the benefit of F1 technology. BMW for one since this is a BMW forum.

Point is F1 is for fun, competition and enjoyment! This new power unit isn't even called an engine anymore. Plus, fuel saving shouldn't be in the equation unless it's a team call. Drivers should be able to to put in qualifying laps each and every lap without fuel worries if given the talent to do so. 20 cars burning a few extra liters of fuel shouldn't concern anyone. And tires? I can see some limitations but drivers shouldn't have to worry about running out of those either...IMHO

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

That's what Formula E is for. I'm no engineer but I can't see much overly complicated F1 engine technology tricking down into road cars. Plenty of manufactures are getting into the turbo-hybrid game without the benefit of F1 technology. BMW for one since this is a BMW forum.

Point is F1 is for fun, competition and enjoyment! This new power unit isn't even called an engine anymore. Plus, fuel saving shouldn't be in the equation unless it's a team call. Drivers should be able to to put in qualifying laps each and every lap without fuel worries if given the god given talent to do so. 20 cars burning a few extra liters of fuel shouldn't concern anyone. And tires? I can see some limitations but drivers shouldn't have to worry about running out of those either...IMHO

I agree with nearly everything here. My formula would be the following:

V8 or V10 with KERS.
Minimum weight back to 675KG
40KG of fuel with refueling brought back
No more cheese tires.

This would fix most of what is wrong with F1.

[Pauldunlop13]

^^. Agreed with this

2 things I hate hearing during a race

Tire management
Fuel management (lift and coast) when not needed to cool the brakes

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Pauldunlop13

^^. Agreed with this

2 things I hate hearing during a race

Tire management
Fuel management (lift and coast) when not needed to cool the brakes

Dude. Lift and coast is one of my MAJOR pet peeves!!!

[Pauldunlop13]

I really think they should change the tire requirement
FROM - using 2 different tires
TO - using any mix of tires, but mandatory 2 stops

[Ngilbe36]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

I agree with nearly everything here. My formula would be the following:

V8 or V10 with KERS.
Minimum weight back to 675KG
40KG of fuel with refueling brought back
No more cheese tires.

This would fix most of what is wrong with F1.

Refueling is before my time. What was the major reason F1 went away from it outside of the garage, danger? Indycar and many others do it currently. It would definitely lead to longer pit stops again but as long as it affects everyone the same idk why they couldnt go this route if it improved the racing.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by Ngilbe36

Refueling is before my time. What was the major reason F1 went away from it outside of the garage, danger? Indycar and many others do it currently. It would definitely lead to longer pit stops again but as long as it affects everyone the same idk why they couldnt go this route if it improved the racing.

OH YES, F1 refueling was completely different than Indy / NASCAR. F1 used high pressure to fuel instead of slow dump cans. Dangerous but much more exciting!!!
Added one more thing that could go wrong and effect race outcome.

Found one example listed below but there are much more dramatic examples

[Killed by Death]

WTF? No wonder Ferrari isn't winning with this attitude

https://www.grandprix247.com/2021/09...-than-winning/

[3798j]

Indycar refueling is by a raised tank emptying into a 5" diameter hose...the 22 gallon tank can be filled in less than 10 seconds. Fast is a factor, but that was only part of what Formula 1 refueling was about. F1 was about fuel load and the different strategies that could be employed. Starting with little fuel, a car could create a big enough lead that could be tough to overcome. Then also, on tracks where passing is more difficult light load starts by weaker cars was the norm. Having the wrong fuel load when a safety car deployed could ruin one teams plans while catapulting a team that chose the correct amount. Refueling strategies added another dimension to the race...exciting and tough for the teams to predict or counter.

[Ngilbe36]

Originally Posted by 3798j

Indycar refueling is by a raised tank emptying into a 5" diameter hose...the 22 gallon tank can be filled in less than 10 seconds. Fast is a factor, but that was only part of what Formula 1 refueling was about. F1 was about fuel load and the different strategies that could be employed. Starting with little fuel, a car could create a big enough lead that could be tough to overcome. Then also, on tracks where passing is more difficult light load starts by weaker cars was the norm. Having the wrong fuel load when a safety car deployed could ruin one teams plans while catapulting a team that chose the correct amount. Refueling strategies added another dimension to the race...exciting and tough for the teams to predict or counter.

Doesnt that add luck in as a greater element and reduce a "level" playing field where the drivers skill is able to be more of a factor?

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Ngilbe36

Refueling is before my time. What was the major reason F1 went away from it outside of the garage, danger? Indycar and many others do it currently. It would definitely lead to longer pit stops again but as long as it affects everyone the same idk why they couldnt go this route if it improved the racing.

They went away from it to save about 10 million year in equipment and transportation services.

Big mistake.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

WTF? No wonder Ferrari isn't winning with this attitude

https://www.grandprix247.com/2021/09...-than-winning/

He needs to go. Domenacali (sp?) and Arrivibene were FAR better TPs. I get sick each time I hear some cringy statement from him and if he can't understand winning...he needs to go. Now. He's bad for Ferrari and that is bad for Formula One.

[3798j]

Originally Posted by Ngilbe36

Doesnt that add luck in as a greater element and reduce a "level" playing field where the drivers skill is able to be more of a factor?

Think of it more like another added dimension. Some tracks are more likely to have safety car deployment than others...so on those tracks, sure it's more of a gamble. As for a level playing field, the strong, fast teams would not want a return to refueling...heck, they'd more than likely prefer going back to the days of no pit stops.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by 3798j

Think of it more like another added dimension. Some tracks are more likely to have safety car deployment than others...so on those tracks, sure it's more of a gamble. As for a level playing field, the strong, fast teams would not want a return to refueling...heck, they'd more than likely prefer going back to the days of no pit stops.

This, It's an added dimension.

Know that feeling you when your favorite driver comes in for tires? How costly the slightest mistake can be. Refueling old school creates even more drama!!!

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

He needs to go. Domenacali (sp?) and Arrivibene were FAR better TPs. I get sick each time I hear some cringy statement from him and if he can't understand winning...he needs to go. Now. He's bad for Ferrari and that is bad for Formula One.

Your guy Toto is the BEST!!! However, I'd take almost any current TP over Binotto

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Your guy Toto is the BEST!!! However, I'd take almost any current TP over Binotto

Careful what you wish for

[Autobacs]

The flames that engulfed Jos Verstappen has been resurrected in my mind.