California to Ban the Sale of New Gasoline Cars

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

No thanks. Riding a bike is an inefficient use of time; and time is a much more finite and valuable resource for me to save. It's really that simple.

Staying healthy is not an inefficient use of time.

[Equilibrandt]

Just so y'all are aware, there're two types of solar power generation: Photovoltaic (solar panels -> power) and solar thermal (big mirrors superheat a central 'power' tower).

Photovoltaic plants don't work at night. Solar thermal plants store thermal energy in big 'heat' batteries (really just steam or molten glass) over the course of the day. Then, when the sun goes down, the plant stops using its mirrors and starts using its ultra-hot medium to continue to run the boiler for the turbine.

Nights can be windy.
Water and wave generation doesn't stop when the sun goes down.
Some solar still works with no sun.

It's not as infeasible as you'd believe to be making renewable power 24 hours a day. Power that supports A/C during the day and power that charges your EV one night a week. (Seriously, why is everyone assuming that every EV owner needs to charge every night?)

Also, on the 'bike' convo, I'd bet a bunch of people hop over to electronic-assisted (EV lol) bikes for short trips and tasks. Much easier to travel much further on a bike. Check out Super73.com if you're bored.

[Steelguin]

They ban the sale of "New" cars. Just like the gun bans people will find work around. Ie dealer titles a new car and then sell it as "used"

the state is not ready for all electric. Not even close.

[Quadruple VANOS]

Originally Posted by RM7

Staying healthy is not an inefficient use of time.

However using a bicycle as a form of transportation when running errands is an inefficient use of time. Are you following the conversation here?

[chris719]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

However using a bicycle as a form of transportation when running errands is an inefficient use of time. Are you following the conversation here?

Just pay someone to bicycle and run your errands for you, problem solved .

[INTMD8]

Originally Posted by RM7

Peak demand spike is due to warm temps in the summer and people, not just houses, running A/C to keep it cool. Think wal mart. Think warehouses. Think every single industrial building. This is an incredible amount of energy being used to keep everything cool.

So, a bunch of huge buildings that run A/C 24-7?

[kyrix1st]

Meanwhile the US is supposedly shutting down domestic oil channels and increasing reliance on foreign oils. Maybe the government is playing the long game of preserving nonrenewable resources...which would work only if there were any domestic company left to do the job when the time comes.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by H2O_Doc

Climate change has to be addressed and transportation is an important part of it. EVs, especially when more solar, wind, and other renewables are contributing to the grid, will be a significant reduction over ICEs. It's unambiguous.

Maybe eventually, but the renewable technology is just not there. Dam causes significant sedimentation and subsequent irreversible damage to local ecosystems so that's out, wind mill blades are near impossible to recycle (very costly as well), solar just isn't able to cope with the changing climates as reliable power source.

I would say eFuel is a better investment and much more environmentally friendly at this point.

This guy gives some nice insight to the renewable energy industry.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

wind mill blades are near impossible to recycle (very costly as well), solar just isn't able to cope with the changing climates as reliable power source.

There are several start-ups that are going to recycle blades. In general, you gotta chop them up and use them to make FGRP, similar to CFRP type structures. All of this worrying while the world is moving on.

Whatabout Nuts!

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by RM7

There are several start-ups that are going to recycle blades. In general, you gotta chop them up and use them to make FGRP, similar to CFRP type structures. All of this worrying while the world is moving on.

Whatabout Nuts!

Going to? Currently the blades end up in the landfill, or are burnt as fuel

[jmg]

Originally Posted by Steelguin

They ban the sale of "New" cars. Just like the gun bans people will find work around. Ie dealer titles a new car and then sell it as "used"

the state is not ready for all electric. Not even close.

I don't think it's completely ready for all electric either. However:

• It's only a ban on NEW sales
• It will force infrastructure changes with a ticking clock motivator
• Dealers will have to take a depreciation hit by incorrectly titling then used (unless we still have the shortages in 2035 we have today
• It's 13 years away.
• It lines up with the ICE ban by the EU
• We keep saying "we're not ready", but it's been years since people have been saying the ICE ban is coming. We could have had 20+ years to be ready, now we "only" have 13. We ignored the signs because it was too difficult to pay heed.
• The 2035 date isn't saying we are going to be ready by that date, but that we must. It's lighting a fire under our asses.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

Going to? Currently the blades end up in the landfill, or are burnt as fuel

Blades are literally a grain of sand in the endless beaches of trash we generate. Why are we fixated on recycling something that makes renewable energy?

[RM7]

Originally Posted by jmg

Why are we fixated on recycling something that makes renewable energy?

Because Whatabout Nuts are delicious, like Member Berries.

[Quadruple VANOS]

Originally Posted by jmg

Why are we fixated on recycling something that makes renewable energy?

People fixated on renewable energy also seem to demand everything be recyclable. Why would something that makes renewable energy be exempt from this goal?

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by jmg

Blades are literally a grain of sand in the endless beaches of trash we generate. Why are we fixated on recycling something that makes renewable energy?

skip to 5:40 in the video, it's going to be an 1/8th of the plastic waste per year.

Creating waste to save the planet and the air is kind of, wasteful. And the solution to get rid of that waste? burn it.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

People fixated on renewable energy also seem to demand

Thanks for that logical fallacy.

[Max Caviar]

so ditch your ride and peddle around with the rest of the masked virtue signalers

Originally Posted by RM7

Staying healthy is not an inefficient use of time.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by StradaRedlands

Really, getting people out of cars of any sort is the better fix. I know it'll make me sound like a cappuccino drinking, sushi eating, commie liberal, but ride a damn bike for errands <2 miles. It's not that complicated. But if everyone on the planet needs their own damn car to go buy some chips a mile away, no matter what the energy source, we're hosed.

I'd ride my bike a hell of a lot more and well over 5 miles if I lived in places like many parts of the Nordics where most major metros are flat as hell, the temps routinely below 70, and winds and humidity very mild. Where I live in Kansas City is super hilly, windy, and spring/summer temps in the mid-70s to 90s and humid. I'd be sweating big time with just a 10 minute ride if I'm wearing normal clothes like these people.

I also find it interesting and hilarious that we in the US are so focused on bike helmets, yet in Europe, they hardly wear them, especially when commuting.

[Equilibrandt]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Anyone know what level Lake Meade has to get to before the Hoover stops pumping electricity?

If only there were some sort of connection between historically-low inland water levels and climate change..

[H2O_Doc]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Anyone know what level Lake Meade has to get to before the Hoover stops pumping electricity?

Deadpool is 895 feet.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

I'd ride my bike a hell of a lot more and well over 5 miles if I lived in places like many parts of the Nordics where most major metros are flat as hell, the temps routinely below 70, and winds and humidity very mild. Where I live in Kansas City is super hilly, windy, and spring/summer temps in the mid-70s to 90s and humid. I'd be sweating big time with just a 10 minute ride if I'm wearing normal clothes like these people.

I also find it interesting and hilarious that we in the US are so focused on bike helmets, yet in Europe, they hardly wear them, especially when commuting.

Kansas City humid? Ha, try living in the DC Metro area where we're surrounded by bodies of water and have the Atlantic Ocean nearby. But then again, the Floridians would say the same to us DMV'ers.

As to Europeans and bicycles, that's because they have better licensing requirements than the joke of the system we have here in the states for cars.
Also, bicycles AND motorcycles are more integrated into their societies.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

People fixated on renewable energy also seem to demand everything be recyclable. Why would something that makes renewable energy be exempt from this goal?

I'm not suggesting it be exempt, but the difficulty in recycling something that helps capture renewable energy that only accounts for a fraction of waste, isn't a reason to dismiss wind power. I do hope they find a way to recycle more blades. Maybe the solution is to make more durable blades that last longer, or are repairable. I'm no chemist, but what if we recycle the material into making new blades?

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

skip to 5:40 in the video, it's going to be an 1/8th of the plastic waste per year.

Creating waste to save the planet and the air is kind of, wasteful. And the solution to get rid of that waste? burn it.

Again, the better solution is to find more ways to recycle rather than declare wind power a wasteful endeavour. The waste from burning fossil fuels still seems to not be an issue for many, but for some reason recycling blades is. I can only speculate confirmation bias, in many cases political, in some emotional.