Highland park IL 4th of July parade shooting

[TboneS54]

Logical fallacies left and right smh.

We can see who would make a good parent, and who would make a bad parent:

Timmy is kicking the back of your seat. Do you:

a) stop, get out, take his shoes off so he can't do it with much force and bother you

or

b) explain why you're asking him to stop (set boundaries), give consequences/expectations

People without kids might think this is stupid, but parents are in these types of situations every day.

Trying to take a gun away is the quicker/easier "solution" but it's not an actual solution.

Timmy will soon find another way to bother you, don't worry.

[pikkagtr]

Why are we still engaging with capitan bloodz
It is clear his level of understanding on guns and such is below my 12 yr old nephew. I just gave him his first lesson in trigger safety and range etiquette last weekend
Just gloss over his retorts and they're nothing but feelings and troll bait

[floridaorange]

It's a lot easier to just block someone you perceive to be trolling you. I don't even see the 3 trolls on this boards posts at all - it's great!

[TheWatchGuy]

Originally Posted by Captain Blood

OMG! What a lame retort. Remember, the guys arguing in favor of the assault weapons are not victims. The victims are the people shot by these weapons.

And what's really lame is to keep claiming that the people debating with you don't know anything about what they're talking about. It's really very simple, perhaps you cannot comprehend it.

A long rifle, with a clip, that is semi automatic, does not need to be made available to people who commit mass shootings. The only real way to keep them out of bad guys hands is to not make them available at all.

I know it may be useless to try and reach people who are so ingrained in gun porn that they don't comprehend how bad these things are. Reminds me of Alec Guinness at the end of "the bridge over the river Kwai", when he realizes he's helped the Japanese and is thwarting the destruction of the bridge, realizes what he's done. When will you guys have that epiphany?

that always works. like making drugs illegal has worked. 1 in 3 mass shootings are done with an illegally obtained gun. a majority of gun crimes are done with guns illegally obtained. making something illegal doesnt stop a criminal from doing another illegal thing. murder is already illegal.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by Torgus

223 Remington is for varmints and small predators. It is inhumane to use 223 to hunt Deer or anything larger.

Using 223 ammo is legal in most states/DNRs to hunt with, including deer and many hunters do it. It's terrible hunting rifle though and most real hunters would say if you need a semi-auto to hunt, you're crap hunter.

AR-15 style rifles are often bought for home defense, but in reality, make terrible home defense weapons as they over-penetrate. Unless of course your goal is to shoot through multiple walls and into your neighbors home too. The AR after all was designed to penetrate an enemy helmet at 500 yards. We also can't deny the "SHTF" crowd. They drive many of the sales too.

A 223/556 round will cause massive damage to a human. You cannot refute that. Don't believe me? Google "AR-15 bullet wounds". Prepare yourself though. Lots of pictures of people missing/destroyed limbs, organs, heads, wide-open chest cavities, etc.

Whatever you want to call the gun, I don't give a flying fart. The AR-15 style rifle and those similar to it are lightweight, modifiable (i.e., can make it extremely compact), shoot high velocity rounds with a semi-automatic function, and have a platform specifically designed handle high capacity magazines. The rifles are super effective at killing lots of people in less than a minute.

These rifles are effective in warfare because they're easily carried, packed, and can kill/injure many enemies thus why standard issue military rifles have these characteristics (including burst and auto functions). Also, soldiers can carry way more 223/556 rounds because they are light (as are the guns) and rounds don’t produce as much rifle recoil which makes the gun more accurate to shoot in rapid succession.

These rifles are most effective legally-sourced gun used in public mass shootings in the past 10 or so years. They have highest kill and injury rate by mile. And as noted above, 223 rounds don’t produce as much rifle recoil which makes the gun more accurate to shoot in rapid succession.

Want to kill a lot of people in a short amount of time? What legal gun are you buying?

[pikkagtr]

Don't even need a gun to kill a lot of people in a short amount of time
Just a crock pot pressure cooker and a backpack
Ask the Boston marathon runners and crowd about it
556 rounds are effective during warfare as you want to be able to put down suppressive fire , ie least down range to advance your position in close quarters combat
You are right about it being a crappy home defense choice though
I'd trust my 12 gauge over it yes , but if I'm outdoors and there's cover and or distance, nothing beats the AR

[Sedan_Clan]

Just keep in mind that the definition of home defense is not the same for everybody. For some, home defense is 800 sq.ft. For others, home defense is 3 acres. In some instances I would grab a shotgun and in others I would grab one of my AR pistols.

Over penetration is also ammo dependent. Our duty ammo is purposely made softer and the powder mixture is different to avoid over penetration, which is why we use our AR's indoors when we breach and/or clear locations. Shotgun ammo can over penetrate as well (….and so can handgun rounds). We've tested them all. All of our duty ammo is manufactured to reduce/avoid over penetration.

P.S. A Florida resident defended his home using his AK-47. He shot at the intruders. No charges will be filed. God is good!

[Joe T]

curious, lets just say that tomorrow the .gov finds every AR and destroys them.
When the next mass shooting happens, will they try to ban those too? and assuming that that weapon is banned, and there's another mass shooting, will that be banned?

The kids at Uvalde would be just as dead today if it was an 870 pump with 00 buck shot, hell he had over an hour, he could have used a single action black powder revolver.

Just last week Shinzo Abe was shot with a homemade zip gun, in a country where civilian gun ownership is heavily regulated.

[Mintsopoulos]

Very interesting to see Pritzker calling for an "Assault Weapons" Ban when this fool's investment group owned Signicast, one of the largest casting houses in the US that manufactureds..you guessed it...most components for AR15's and a variety of other platforms. He only offloaded it when he became governor...such a hypocrite.

A ban of any sort is certainly not going to work, but it sounds good and gives people the warm and fuzzies. What we need to focus on more is mental health and proper intervention.

Its not a gun issue, its a people issue. Its a mental health issue and in a world dominated by social media, help is needed more than ever.

[Pablo Chacon]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

Using 223 ammo is legal in most states/DNRs to hunt with, including deer and many hunters do it. It's terrible hunting rifle though and most real hunters would say if you need a semi-auto to hunt, you're crap hunter.

AR-15 style rifles are often bought for home defense, but in reality, make terrible home defense weapons as they over-penetrate. Unless of course your goal is to shoot through multiple walls and into your neighbors home too. The AR after all was designed to penetrate an enemy helmet at 500 yards. We also can't deny the "SHTF" crowd. They drive many of the sales too.

A 223/556 round will cause massive damage to a human. You cannot refute that. Don't believe me? Google "AR-15 bullet wounds". Prepare yourself though. Lots of pictures of people missing/destroyed limbs, organs, heads, wide-open chest cavities, etc.

Whatever you want to call the gun, I don't give a flying fart. The AR-15 style rifle and those similar to it are lightweight, modifiable (i.e., can make it extremely compact), shoot high velocity rounds with a semi-automatic function, and have a platform specifically designed handle high capacity magazines. The rifles are super effective at killing lots of people in less than a minute.

These rifles are effective in warfare because they're easily carried, packed, and can kill/injure many enemies thus why standard issue military rifles have these characteristics (including burst and auto functions). Also, soldiers can carry way more 223/556 rounds because they are light (as are the guns) and rounds don’t produce as much rifle recoil which makes the gun more accurate to shoot in rapid succession.

These rifles are most effective legally-sourced gun used in public mass shootings in the past 10 or so years. They have highest kill and injury rate by mile. And as noted above, 223 rounds don’t produce as much rifle recoil which makes the gun more accurate to shoot in rapid succession.

Want to kill a lot of people in a short amount of time? What legal gun are you buying?

This sounds like the perfect weapon for "a well regulated militia.” Thanks for galvanizing the need for an AR-15 and it’s protection under 2A.

[Theruleslawyer]

Originally Posted by Mintsopoulos

Very interesting to see Pritzker calling for an "Assault Weapons" Ban when this fool's investment group owned Signicast, one of the largest casting houses in the US that manufactureds..you guessed it...most components for AR15's and a variety of other platforms. He only offloaded it when he became governor...such a hypocrite.

A ban of any sort is certainly not going to work, but it sounds good and gives people the warm and fuzzies. What we need to focus on more is mental health and proper intervention.

Its not a gun issue, its a people issue. Its a mental health issue and in a world dominated by social media, help is needed more than ever.

TBH with Illinois being the way it is, I can't see him saying anything else prior to the election. How much he cares if it passes is anyone's guess. I don't doubt more rights violations are coming our way.

[Nuckle]

Originally Posted by Pablo Chacon

This sounds like the perfect weapon for "a well regulated militia." Thanks for galvanizing the need for an AR-15 and it's protection under 2A.

Also handy when the "mostly peaceful" protesters decide to protest in the burbs. A wise tactical trainer once told me that a handgun is only good to use to fight your way to a rifle.

Lots of guilt being spewed out in this thread by the usual suspects. Capt Blood is back on my ignore list.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by Joe T

curious, lets just say that tomorrow the .gov finds every AR and destroys them.
When the next mass shooting happens, will they try to ban those too? and assuming that that weapon is banned, and there's another mass shooting, will that be banned?

The kids at Uvalde would be just as dead today if it was an 870 pump with 00 buck shot, hell he had over an hour, he could have used a single action black powder revolver.

Just last week Shinzo Abe was shot with a homemade zip gun, in a country where civilian gun ownership is heavily regulated.

Yeah they would be dead.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by Nuckle

Also handy when the "mostly peaceful" protesters decide to protest in the burbs. A wise tactical trainer once told me that a handgun is only good to use to fight your way to a rifle.

Lots of guilt being spewed out in this thread by the usual suspects. Capt Blood is back on my ignore list.

Unless you're those two lawyers that were brought up on charges for doing just what you're saying.

[Nuckle]

Originally Posted by zx10guy

Unless you're those two lawyers that were brought up on charges for doing just what you're saying.

I will take that over watching my neighbors house being lit on fire with them in it. You?

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by Nuckle

I will take that over watching my neighbors house being lit on fire with them in it. You?

Just saying that even if you are defending yourself/property that you can still be charged. That's the how F'd up things have gotten. Those lawyers were not defending a neighbor's property. They were defending their own.

As an aside, didn't help that their trigger discipline was pretty abysmal which added fuel to the people that wanted them hung out to dry.

[Nuckle]

Originally Posted by zx10guy

Just saying that even if you are defending yourself/property that you can still be charged. That's the how F'd up things have gotten. Those lawyers were not defending a neighbor's property. They were defending their own.

As an aside, didn't help that their trigger discipline was pretty abysmal which added fuel to the people that wanted them hung out to dry.

You don't point guns at people until your life or someone else's is on the line. Probably why they got charged. They later plead guilty to a misdemeanor from what I know. I think things will go a little differently in the south but my previous comments were meant to be more humor to lighten up this crappy thread where the original topic hasn't been discussed much over the last 5 pages.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by Nuckle

You don't point guns at people until your life or someone else's is on the line. Probably why they got charged. They later plead guilty to a misdemeanor from what I know. I think things will go a little differently in the south but my previous comments were meant to be more humor to lighten up this crappy thread where the original topic hasn't been discussed much over the last 5 pages.

Don't disagree with you there. But can't get into their minds as to what they were thinking at that time when there was a mob in front of their home. Given how out of control things have been during that time, I can understand their rationale that they were thinking that their lives were legitimately in danger.

Beyond the debate about guns, the main topic of this thread is about the poor victims at the parade. And there's no humor or ability to lighten up anything given the initial purpose of this thread.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by Pablo Chacon

This sounds like the perfect weapon for "a well regulated militia.” Thanks for galvanizing the need for an AR-15 and it’s protection under 2A.

Let me guess, you hunt and/or parade around in tactical gear, own everything tactical, and have multiple glammed out AR-15s. You SHTF and misguided 2A diehards guys crack my stuff up. Good luck with your "militia"

[Pablo Chacon]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

Let me guess, you hunt and/or parade around in tactical gear, own everything tactical, and have multiple glammed out AR-15s. You SHTF and misguided 2A diehards guys crack my stuff up. Good luck with your "militia"

You’re more than welcome to make all the guesses you like, have at it. Good luck with your guessing.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Pablo Chacon

You're more than welcome to make all the guesses you like, have at it. Good luck with your guessing.

He's probably the guy who, in a true SHTF moment, will be looking for a "militia" guy to protect him. The weak are the easiest prey when things get real.

[Pablo Chacon]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

He's probably the guy who, in a true SHTF moment, will be looking for a "militia" guy to protect him. The weak are the easiest prey when things get real.

Much like the tough guy in that video you posted, all puffed up like a rooster until he wasn’t.