F1 2024: Spanish GP - Barcelona (June 23)

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Artemis

The way Norris overtook Russell today, was not what you'd particularly expect from a "mediocre driver".

Currently P2 in the WDC.

Out of the last 6 F1 races, Norris was voted 5 times "Driver Of The Day": either he has a massive following voting for him or he is performing above average.

True though that McLaren seems to have improved its car more than any other team.

Lando had a slightly slow pit stop that compromised him v Max at the last stint.

What is interesting tho - team didn't ask Oscar to slow Max down and Oscar moved out of the way and waved Max past. If Oscar forced Max to use up the life of the softs for Lando to attack...

Max would still have won, F1 is a very simple game - 20 cars drive around and Max wins.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by M3WC

It has to be money. Perez is backed by Carlos Slim, one of the wealthiest in the world.

F1 is a very expensive business and Verstappen is the best paid driver on the grid (salary + bonuses). The money has to come from somewhere. If Perez lacked substantial sponsorship money resources, you can bet that RBR would no longer be interested in his services anymore (Perez has always been a protégé of billionaire Carlos Slim).

The relationship between Verstappen and Perez has become 'strictly business' ever since the Azerbaijan 2022 race weekend (discovery of what has happened during Monaco 2022 Q3). Money talks.

WCC 2023:

• Verstappen gathered 575 out of 860 WCC points for RBR (2/3); enough points to single-handedly get RBR the WCC;
• Hamilton + Russell: 409 WCC points for Mercedes (WCC P2);
• Leclerc + Sainz: 406 WCC points for Ferrari (WCC P3).

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OM6D5xY6wbM

• Dutch F1 journalist: "The championship (2023 WCC) is achieved all due to Max, because you can see that at Red Bull. What should they do with Perez ?"
• Jos Verstappen: "No idea. Luckily I am not the one who needs to make that decision, haha."

[Killed by Death]

Sabotage is good practice for Ham going to Ferrari....They invented self-sabotage without regard to either driver

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Max is good. Very good. He’s not as good as Hamilton, and we know this because he didn’t win or do anything meaningful until he had the fastest car by a significant margin on the grid. Even now, he has the fastest car and he’s not dominating as before.
If ham was his teammate at best Max would split wins - Ham would come out on top 7/10 times

That's guessing - we'll never know. But you're entitled to your opinion. So if you consider Hamilton the best F1 driver who ever graced the planet, then that's perfectly fine. Hamilton is also much more than just an F1 driver (and I mean that in a positive way).

But objectively speaking, on track, Verstappen has the 'age advantage' over Hamilton: 26 years versus 39 years. There's no denying that F1 is physically and mentally a very draining top sport (maximum performance on track, as well as lots of off-track commitments, physio, cardio and tiring time zone traveling, etc.). Experience is a major benefit, achieving success and getting very well paid are great incentives, but, tired or not, fully recovered or not, you still need to bring your A game every single race weekend, competing against equally well-trained younger pilots. And the world is watching every single move and whisper.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Max is good. Very good. He’s not as good as Hamilton, and we know this because he didn’t win or do anything meaningful until he had the fastest car by a significant margin on the grid. Even now, he has the fastest car and he’s not dominating as before.

If ham was his teammate at best Max would split wins - Ham would come out on top 7/10 times

Don't know what you are smoking , IMHO I think It's bad for you ...

Since 2016 and long before the RB dominance MAX has now 61 wins in the pocket .
One win more than LEW since 2016 . And that's a new record !
I'll say it again . This is just the beginning ...
And LEW's end is near at Ferrari .

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Max is good. Very good. He’s not as good as Hamilton, and we know this because he didn’t win or do anything meaningful until he had the fastest car by a significant margin on the grid. Even now, he has the fastest car and he’s not dominating as before.

If ham was his teammate at best Max would split wins - Ham would come out on top 7/10 times

Max is better than Ham full stop. You literally just described Ham's career. When his car was 2 sec a lap faster he won, when it hasnt been, he cant win. Max would win 90+/100 races against Ham.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Artemis

F1 is a very expensive business and Verstappen is the best paid driver on the grid (salary + bonuses). The money has to come from somewhere. If Perez lacked substantial sponsorship money resources, you can bet that RBR would no longer be interested in his services anymore (Perez has always been a protégé of billionaire Carlos Slim).

The relationship between Verstappen and Perez has become 'strictly business' ever since the Azerbaijan 2022 race weekend (discovery of what has happened during Monaco 2022 Q3). Money talks.

WCC 2023:

• Verstappen gathered 575 out of 860 WCC points for RBR (2/3); enough points to single-handedly get RBR the WCC;
• Hamilton + Russell: 409 WCC points for Mercedes (WCC P2);
• Leclerc + Sainz: 406 WCC points for Ferrari (WCC P3).

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OM6D5xY6wbM

• Dutch F1 journalist: "The championship (2023 WCC) is achieved all due to Max, because you can see that at Red Bull. What should they do with Perez ?"
• Jos Verstappen: "No idea. Luckily I am not the one who needs to make that decision, haha."

Sure . I know and know about the Mexican billionaire-tycoon Carlos Slim.
No further comment about Carlos Slim at this forum....

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Don't know what you are smoking , IMHO I think It's bad for you ...

Since 2016 and long before the RB dominance MAX has now 61 wins in the pocket .
One win more than LEW since 2016 . And that's a new record !
I'll say it again . This is just the beginning ...
And LEW's end is near at Ferrari .

And in those 8 full seasons, Ham's cars were

6 years (2016-2021) - fastest and most dominant car F1 has ever seen - car so fast a cucumber could be placed in the driver seat and win.
2 years 2nd fastest car on the grid

Max -

5 seasons (2016-2020) - maybe 3rd//4th best car
1 season 2nd best car
2 seasons best car (but nowhere near MB 2014-2021 dominance levels except for the driver who made the difference)

Looks like even though Ham has overwhelmingly better cars, Max has more race wins and has done it in a manner Ham couldnt.

[Fillip]

Everyone talks about the Checo's performance at Red Bull but not many people talk about Piastri's performance. His performance this season so far is well below par when you compare it with his teammate Lando Norris.

[///M Power-Belgium]

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[M5Rick]

'The others are closing in on RB 1', try again journos

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Fillip

Everyone talks about the Checo's performance at Red Bull but not many people talk about Piastri's performance. His performance this season so far is well below par when you compare it with his teammate Lando Norris.

POS Brown takes care of car 81.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

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The sympathetic looking lioness with an unbeatable strat program.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Sabotage is good practice for Ham going to Ferrari....They invented self-sabotage without regard to either driver

Ferrari on the slide a little, each clashing on the track, not happy that Norris has taken the points lead from Charlie.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Fillip

Everyone talks about the Checo's performance at Red Bull but not many people talk about Piastri's performance. His performance this season so far is well below par when you compare it with his teammate Lando Norris.

I have no idea what MacLaren are doing. I think they focused on making a fast car for Lando but they've forgotten to coach Oscar and have no idea about team strategy.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Don't know what you are smoking , IMHO I think It's bad for you ...

Since 2016 and long before the RB dominance MAX has now 61 wins in the pocket .
One win more than LEW since 2016 . And that's a new record !
I'll say it again . This is just the beginning ...
And LEW's end is near at Ferrari .

Since 2016 Lewis actually has MORE wins - this is cherry picked nonsese that Max Crashtappen fans post because they know Max was is a slightly more competent Lando Norris. Max had what - 10 wins heading into 2021 - 70% of his wins have been in the last 2.5 years when his car was so fast, even Sergio Perez looked WDC level.


Basically, Max has been padding his numbers because now there are 20+ races in the season up from 17 when Lewis first started driving. Lewis actually beat the reigning champion in his rookie season, there has never been another driver like him.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

Max is better than Ham full stop. You literally just described Ham's career. When his car was 2 sec a lap faster he won, when it hasnt been, he cant win. Max would win 90+/100 races against Ham.

Better that's why he couldn't beat Ham unless he had a faster car, despite the fact that he's younger - AND had FIA game the rules to benefit him?

Max is good, but he's clearly a tier below Hamilton. Most of Max's fans are low level racist who hated Ham because he has actual talent (literally his dad who has no F1 experience and did not come from money, trained him) rags to riches story that makes everyone else in the sport look like the entitled chumps they are.

No one has discount Schumi, Kimi (mediocre) Vettel, Alonso, or even Rosberg (LOL) in the same way they slander Lewis.

Man, the crow you guys will eat in the next few years when LH is on his way to 9 WDC and Max is floundering, is going to be epic. Can't wait for crying stories of "party mode" and how Lewis "lacks class" in winning, and all the veiled shots people have taken to come out.

I'll be here for it. Just have to get through Max struggling to win while he has the fastest car on the grid, and continue to pad is stats.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

And in those 8 full seasons, Ham's cars were

6 years (2016-2021) - fastest and most dominant car F1 has ever seen - car so fast a cucumber could be placed in the driver seat and win.
2 years 2nd fastest car on the grid

My guy - they were not. Ferrari was very close to Mercedes in 2017-18, and were found to be cheating, which is why their pace dropped off in 2019.

RB poached all Mercedes engineers and crew and basically spent like mad for 2 years just for Max to cheat Lewis out of a win in 2021.

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

Max -

4 seasons (2016-2020) - maybe 3rd//4th best car
1 season 2nd best car
2 seasons best car (but nowhere near MB 2014-2021 dominance levels except for the driver who made the difference)

Looks like even though Ham has overwhelmingly better cars, Max has more race wins and has done it in a manner Ham couldnt.

Rb was literally as good or better in 2020 and 2021 (especially in 2021)

Max has LESS race wins than Hamilton - 103 vs 61 - Max never even had more than 3 wins in a season before 2021. Pathetic.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Since 2016 Lewis actually has MORE wins - this is cherry picked nonsese that Max Crashtappen fans post because they know Max was is a slightly more competent Lando Norris. Max had what - 10 wins heading into 2021 - 70% of his wins have been in the last 2.5 years when his car was so fast, even Sergio Perez looked WDC level.


Basically, Max has been padding his numbers because now there are 20+ races in the season up from 17 when Lewis first started driving. Lewis actually beat the reigning champion in his rookie season, there has never been another driver like him.

Let us refresh your memory...

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Because Max can't race a teamate without nearly killing himself or them. Most overrated driver on the grid who had nothing to show for himself until he was gifted the best car for 3 seasons.

The Mercedes W11 was the fastest car in the F1 history !
But who won the WDC ?

LEW vs MAX

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

The Mercedes W11 was the fastest car in the F1 history !
But who won the WDC ?

LEW vs MAX

Fastest in history how? Max won by margins of 50 seconds to the next guy in 2022 and 2023 - Vettel was in the mix to be competitive in 2017 and 18. Max was terrible in 2020 - and suddenly with all Merc's old crew had a car that was faster and was selected to win in 2021.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Man, the crow you guys will eat in the next few years when LH is on his way to 9 WDC and Max is floundering, is going to be epic. Can't wait for crying stories of "party mode" and how Lewis "lacks class" in winning, and all the veiled shots people have taken to come out.

I'll be here for it. Just have to get through Max struggling to win while he has the fastest car on the grid, and continue to pad is stats.

Don't want to rain on your parade - just a word of caution: beware of déjà vu.

"Michael Schumacher says new Mercedes F1 car can return him to top step of grand prix podium
A confident Michael Schumacher set his sights on a return to the Formula One podium on Tuesday after Mercedes unveiled the car that could make him a winner again.
Great expectations: German F1 great Michael Schumacher is expecting big things from Mercedes' latest Formula One car"
Telegraph Feb 1, 2011
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mo...ix-podium.html

Schumacher (41 years) got WDC P9 in 2010 (19 races), not scoring any podium.

In 2011 (42 years) he got WDC P8 (19 races), not scoring any podium.

In 2012 (43 years) he got WDC P13 (20 races), scoring 1 podium (Valencia).

Subsequently, the 7 x WDC winner retired from F1. 1 x P3 in the last 58 races of his career (2010-2012).

Hamilton got his seat from the 2013 season onwards. Interim season for Mercedes.

From 2014 onwards, Mercedes made the most dominant car of the grid available to its drivers Hamilton and Rosberg. The rest is history.