Lewis vs. Max

[fiveohwblow]

Where is option C? I cant see it in the poll....

[minn19]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

If you say so

I do say so, your hypocrisy because of your hatred of HAM is hilarious to watch in action.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by minn19

I do say so, your hypocrisy because of your hatred of HAM is hilarious to watch in action.

Your making yourself a laughing stock now,over nothing.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

Your making yourself a laughing stock now,over nothing.

No you are the one that continues to do that on this forum every single day.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by minn19

No you are the one that continues to do that on this forum every single day.

Shame you've turned it into a hate match all of your own doing over what, nothing. You've lost it.

[MKSixer]

has faced more WDCs in the same car. Impressive list, overall.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by fiveohwblow

Where is option C? I cant see it in the poll....

The premise of this thread was to answer the question of who was best between Max and Lewis, which is clearly stated in the OP.

If you have a suggestion for drivers outside of this pair, please feel free to proffer them here or start another thread.

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

The premise of this thread was to answer the question of who was best between Max and Lewis, which is clearly stated in the OP.

If you have a suggestion for drivers outside of this pair, please feel free to proffer them here or start another thread.

LOL I think you missed the intent of my post

[Bartledoo]

Hamilton was destined to crash out of that race lol. Just saying, Hamilton was as aggressive as they come. He refined it over time, and others can do the same. Dunno what happened with Vettel, but I still like him haha.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by fiveohwblow

LOL I think you missed the intent of my post

I got the intent...hence my latter part of my statement.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Bartledoo

Hamilton was destined to crash out of that race lol. Just saying, Hamilton was as aggressive as they come. He refined it over time, and others can do the same. Dunno what happened with Vettel, but I still like him haha.

Fuji 2007
Silverstone 2008

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

I got the intent...hence my latter part of my statement.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by fiveohwblow

I'm awaiting your input which, I'm certain, will dazzle us with your brilliance. Please...proceed!!

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

I'm awaiting your input which, I'm certain, will dazzle us with your brilliance. Please...proceed!!

Oh I have ABSOLUTELY none of the aforementioned, precisely as you are inferring.


That will be all.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by fiveohwblow

Oh I have ABSOLUTELY none of the aforementioned, precisely as you are inferring.


That will be all.

You're a good sport!!
Cheers, my friend-mk

[Fender150]

Here you go, ill leave this here, for our friends doing the rain dance. Enjoy lol....

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by minn19

RB has arguably/most likely the second best car on the grid behind MB. I'm not sure how much better they can give him.

Albon needs to pick it up..........

MAX gets the best from RB . RB has nothing better to give , or to drive with .
Cost price ? Hundreds of millions to split the Mercs sometimes , but still with a lack of HP and topspeed !
Sadly .The other teams run just for the show...

Of course the Merc secrets are not for sale !

[Autobacs]

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

Thats a fair point...it looks like Button showed well and why shouldn't he...he was a quality driver. The full stats paint a slightly different picture but nevertheless Button did really well against such a strong team mate.

Hamilton v Button stats

Qualifying

Faster qualifying time: Hamilton 44 / Button 14
Poles: Hamilton 9 / Button 1
Front rows: Hamilton: 23 / Button 9

Races

Wins: Hamilton 10 / Button 8
Podiums: Hamilton 22 / Button 25
Points finishes: Hamilton 45 / Button 47

DNFs: Hamilton 13 / Button 8

Best race result (inc DNFs): Hamilton 32 / Button 26
Ahead in two-car finish: Hamilton 24 / Button 13

Championship

Overall points: Hamilton 657 / Button 672
Seasons finished higher in standings: Hamilton 2 / Button 1
Highest championship placing: Hamilton 4th (2010, 2012) / Button 2nd (2011)

The extra 5 DNFs for Hamilton certainly didn't help his points tally.

Of course Button is a quality driver. So by that same logic, are you saying Max is not a quality driver, not on par with Vettel, Raikkonen, Button, given you used the statistics between Ricciardo and Max? I certainly think Ricciardo is a quality driver, I definitely rank him in my top 5. Now having said that, between him and Max NOW, I would definitely give the edge to Max.

My point is the basis of your ranking of Max, based on his years with Ricciardo, though logical, is not perfect by any means to use that as a basis of saying Hamilton is definitely superior to Max. So until they actually become team mates, all opinions are just speculations. It's when we start believing that speculations are more than what they are, then that is when it becomes fanboism.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

MAX gets the best from RB . RB has nothing better to give , or to drive with .
Cost price ? Hundreds of millions to split the Mercs sometimes , but still with a lack of HP and topspeed !
Sadly .The other teams run just for the show...

Of course the Merc secrets are not for sale !

Fans are abandoning F1 because of the no show,it's gone on too long and there will soon be a new CEO of F1 to take over from Carey as he can't handle it anymore after his short tenure.
Fia gave in too easily bringing in the hybrids back in '14 and it's gone downhill ever since then.
The other teams as you say are only turning up for the show and F1 itself is heading for extinction as even after covid the fan base will decline.
Some F1 fans that I know who were going to Silverstone for many years now won't bother anymore and their team shirts are in mothballs !

[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by Autobacs

My point is the basis of your ranking of Max, based on his years with Ricciardo, though logical, is not perfect by any means to use that as a basis of saying Hamilton is definitely superior to Max. So until they actually become team mates, all opinions are just speculations. It's when we start believing that speculations are more than what they are, then that is when it becomes fanboism.

I guess what I find quite bizarre is the proposition from some that Verstappen would perform better than Hamilton in a Mercedes.
Over the decades every now and then a driver with an obvious natural ability comes into F1.
In the modern era drivers like Senna, Schumacher, Alonso and Hamilton are drivers who from the moment they got in the car they stood out...and one of the ways was by comparison with their team mates.
Its an inaccurate and flawed metric that is true...but it has held up well in most cases.
Then there are other drivers who are fast racers (such as Verstappen) who at first sight look like they might be special but lack that particular natural ability to drive constantly at the limit without overdriving and losing control.
BTW not even a Hamilton fan per se...after all the years I've been watching F1 I no longer invest in one particular driver...but I am in awe of his abilities.

[racerbruce]

We sat at Turn 4 Casino Square at the 2008 Monaco F1 GP....the first third of the race was wet....the second third was establishing the dry line....the last third was WOT (aka WFO)....of all the drivers entering Casino Square there was only one driver that did not lift at Turn 4....it was HAM and he won the race in his second yr of F1.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by racerbruce

We sat at Turn 4 Casino Square at the 2008 Monaco F1 GP....the first third of the race was wet....the second third was establishing the dry line....the last third was WOT (aka WFO)....of all the drivers entering Casino Square there was only one driver that did not lift at Turn 4....it was HAM and he won the race in his second yr of F1.

FANTASTIC!!!!

We are planning Monaco next year of the Corona Virus cooperates. We wanted to go for my brother's 50th but obvi it wasn't happening this year.

It's my hope to do the Spa-Monza back to back weekend, as well. Best back to back in my opinion unless Silverstone is paired with a race!!