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It seems as if a moderately heavy right foot will yield mpg's in the 40's. I wouldnt mind playing with 60mpg+ when I so please. The CR-Z is going to ROMP.
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Wrong Jeremy...im not feeling this honda, they shoulda came up with their own design instead of copying the Prius, it only averaging at 40 mpg city and 48 mpg on the highway?? Ill stick with VW TDI's that average 45-55 mpg not to mention looks sexier in every way... imho
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Jeremy is right that the basic Prius/Insight/Volt silhouette is that of a car that is optimized for aerodynamics. The cars don't have to look identical, but they are going to look remarkably similar.
Personally, I still find hybrids somewhat unappealing as they have yet to routinely match (as others here note) the efficiency of a good diesel motor.
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Wasn't Honda developing a turbo 4 banger diesel that was supposed to be great? I would like to see them put a 5 cyl or 6 cyl diesel in the ridgeline personally, but that is just me.
My stable would then include a 135i coupe, 123d 5 door, and a honda ridgeline diesel.
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I don't care if you're "feeling it" or not. The shape is the most efficient when it comes to a drag/space compromise. You can't change the laws of physics. FYI, a Prius averages about 50MPG in the city, and about 44MPG on the highway, but this Honda is supposed to be cheaper up front. We had two TDI's in my old office (a Jetta and a Passat) and neither one of them averaged 55MPG. The Jetta would get about 40MPG in mixed driving, with a little effort. It would move up to about 44MPG on the highway. We also had a Prius. Lifetime average (with around 30k on the clock) on it was 48MPG. Factor in the extra cost of diesel and the Prius makes more sense. It's also considerably larger inside than the Jetta, and has more useful cargo capacity with the seats folded. And a Jetta looks sexy? |
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Prius takes longer than 10 seconds to get to 60, that made it a no go for me. Thats why a 123d would be the perfect compromise in my opinion. The prius did impress the misses and I when we looked at it, lots of space and good quality, but the lack of ability to get up and go when needed makes it unsafe for my driving style.
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Maybe for a Hybrid the shape is efficient but if I believe reason hybrids dont sell as much as they could is bc of the shape.. The Honda is probably going to be cheaper I mean seriously it is a Honda lol. But I wonder what years your VW's bc driving a lot thru Texas and Mexico Id average 45-55mpg and Id only be putting gas once sumtimes twice a month depending on how fast Id drive. And yes if you look at a VW TDI and this fugly Honda in or out you can easily see who has a more pricey tag... Id also look at the 123d before this Honda..
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How much difference does having the Prius-style aero-design actually make? Couple of MPG? Should they redesign the Tesla to look like a Prius? :biggrin: |
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Prius don't sell well? Toyota sold 158,884 Prius in the United States in 2008. It was the 8th highest selling passenger car, and the 11th highest selling vehicle overall, in spite of being supply limited several months out of the summer (Camry production ate into battery alotments). For comparision, VW's entire lineup sold 223,128 units in 2008. The Jetta we had was a MkIV (2004 IIRC) and the Passat was a 2006 I think. It was an auto so that cut it back a little, but the best I ever saw out of it was 40MPG on the highway, and it was typicaly more like 34-36 average. A 123d will cost $10k more than this Honda. That buys a hell of a lot of gas. |
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I don't doubt that at all, but with all the weight forced onto manufacturers for safety equipment these days we've gone backwards in that respect. It's hard to say about the difference, because there really isn't anything else to compare it to that has a similar drivetrain. I'd say 2-4MPG is probably realistic. |
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FWIW the VOLT is by far NOT ugly....far more "regular" cars out there that look much, much worse. I am with ARES45 on this...give me a 123d!!!!
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There's no doubt it slow. It takes some getting used to to go from a fast car to a Prius on a regular basis for sure. At the same time, the VW TDIs have about the same 0-60 times, so there's not much to be gained there. I've never seen the numbers for a 123d. Any idea what it does it in? |
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Looks good. I will definitely wait for another model to come along before getting another Honda. CR-Z anyone? Btw I will take the 123d>all anyday
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The Insight and the Prius are remarkable vehicles, but I find them a bit bland for my own driving tastes -- both in terms of styling and performance.
The Jetta, although not exactly the most stylish vehicle on the planet, scores over both of them in the looks department. I think that diesel engines -- like those in the 123d or the Jetta TDI -- offer the best combination of fuel economy and performance for driving enthusiasts of the future...especially after the Honda Accord V6 hybrid spun in. I just wish America would get with that program already. FWIW, the 123d coupe does 0-62MPH (100kph) in 7.0 seconds, with a top speed of 150 MPH. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/dri...cle2744771.ece I'd actually prefer it slightly over the 135i as a daily driver just b/c of the fuel economy and longevity of the diesel engine, combined with the fact that it still packs a bit of a punch. |
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Yes if I was going to by this genre of car based upon looks the Volt would win hands down. Actually it would win over quite a few vehicles in other genres as well. It has some excellent visual design qualities...
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