F1 2024: Mexican GP - Mexico City (Oct 27)

[lens]

Max had 1000IQ here, he realized the Ferrari's were faster than him, along with Norris, so he ate both penalties and kept lando behind and ruined his race on purpose.

Instead of losing 13 points, he lost 10.

Lando would have won the race with the last hard tire stint at the end if Max didn't keep him behind.

Some people call it dirty driving, I call it entertainment. I don't care who wins, as long as it's not Mclaren, I hope Ferrari win the WCC and Max wins the WDC.

Mclaren and Norris are so unlikeable

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

And?

Don't rain on Sainz's parade - also leave him some place or space under the sun.

It took Ferrari 34 years to win the Mexican GP. Sainz made them proud by pulling it off. He also dominated qualifying. So we may assume that Sainz knows a couple of things about how to drive the Ferrari put at his disposal. Sainz ain't an exceptional F1 driver, I agree, but he's doing a proper job for Ferrari.

Let's wait and see whether Hamilton can get Ferrari in 2025 and 2026 the 4th and 5th Mexico GP win of their entire F1 history instead of waiting till the hypothetical 2058 season.

Feel free to dig up this post again in 2025 and 2026.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Don't rain on Sainz's parade - also leave him some place or space under the sun.

It took Ferrari 34 years to win the Mexican GP. Sainz made them proud by pulling it off. He also dominated qualifying. So we may assume that Sainz knows a couple of things about how to drive the Ferrari put at his disposal. Sainz ain't an exceptional F1 driver, I agree, but he's doing a proper job for Ferrari.

Let's wait and see whether Hamilton can get Ferrari in 2025 and 2026 the 4th and 5th Mexico GP win of their entire F1 history instead of waiting till the hypothetical 2058 season.

Feel free to dig up this post again in 2025 and 2026.

This is nothing to do with him winning a moral victory in Mexico and everything to do with the idea that Sainz is somehow better than Lewis.

But I guess winning in Mexico is just as good as winning the WDC.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by minn19

I also agree with others it would be nice to have crew of maybe three steward groups that split up the season. I think youd have a lot more consistency. Much like a soccer/baseball ref. Even if they are wrong, you at least have an idea of how they’ll rule after some time with each group.

Recommended read:
"What are F1’s racing rules? A look at race stewards and drivers’ battle for clarity"
Madeline Coleman - The Athletic - Oct 25, 2024
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/587...teward-driver/

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

This is nothing to do with him winning a moral victory in Mexico and everything to do with the idea that Sainz is somehow better than Lewis.

But I guess winning in Mexico is just as good as winning the WDC.

Have you seen the future and will it be ?

During his forthcoming tenure at Ferrari, Hamilton will be expected to score points. As you know very well, for FIA, only points matter for WDC and WCC titles - not the possible sympathy for you as a person or your impressive trophy cabinet loaded with artefacts of numerous past victories. Simple maths.

If next year, Hamilton scores more points than Sainz this year, Hamilton can be called a better performing Ferrari driver than Sainz with the Ferrari car put at his disposal. If Hamilton scores less points than Sainz this year, Sainz can be called a better performing Ferrari driver than Hamilton with the Ferrari car put at his disposal. It's as simple as that. The discussion whether Hamilton is one of the greatest F1 drivers ever, won't change that.

Remember the high expectations of Michael Schumacher's comeback in 2010-2012 (Mercedes F1): his 7 WDC titles were to no avail - as regards podium finishes during that three seasons period, in FIA stats he was an F1 driver who achieved only 1 third place in the last 58 races of his career, a 40-something 'has been' who couldn't keep up anymore with the younger generation of F1 drivers with the Mercedes car put at his disposal.

Up to Hamilton to show us at Ferrari that he won't end in oblivion like Schumacher in 2010-2012.

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

This is nothing to do with him winning a moral victory in Mexico and everything to do with the idea that Sainz is somehow better than Lewis.

But I guess winning in Mexico is just as good as winning the WDC.

I don’t think anyone is claiming SAI is better than HAM. It’s an absolute certainty that HAM is a short term plan for Ferrari and will likely be gone in 3 years. The argument is Ferrari traded away potentially 5+ years of consistent competition with LEC and SAI (assuming Ferrari continues on this upward trajectory) for 3 years of HAM.

From the Ferrari side of things, HAM is the better driver than SAI all things remain equal, full stop. I don’t think Ferrari regresses with HAM, things might remain the same but they don’t go backwards with the upside that HAM win his 8th championship and Ferrari finally wins another WCC.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by lens

Max had 1000IQ here, he realized the Ferrari's were faster than him, along with Norris, so he ate both penalties and kept lando behind and ruined his race on purpose.
Instead of losing 13 points, he lost 10.
Lando would have won the race with the last hard tire stint at the end if Max didn't keep him behind.
Some people call it dirty driving, I call it entertainment. I don't care who wins, as long as it's not Mclaren, I hope Ferrari win the WCC and Max wins the WDC.
Mclaren and Norris are so unlikeable

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

Ferrari finally wins another WCC.

In the post race interview of the Mexico GP, Leclerc stated that Ferrari targets the WCC this year.

Mathematically, it's definitely possible - the gap is big, but can be bridged: considerable risk of Verstappen and Norris colliding in one of the remaining Sprint races and GPs. We cannot look inside Verstappen's mind, but given his dislike for Zak Brown and his heated rivalry with Norris, I guess he prefers Ferrari getting the WCC rather than McLaren.

During the Mexico GP, Verstappen compromised Norris' chances to win the race. Thanks to Verstappen holding up Norris, Ferrari managed to build enough gap to achieve the race win.

[Davil]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

The Aston pace car is so damn slow ....

Race control sets the pace that Berndt drives. Hence why it is called a safety car. You know. To make sure conditions are safe.

[Davil]

That was a very entertaining race. Max’s Dick Dastardly tactics finally caught up with him. Carlos was outstanding all weekend and a deserving winner. What a great season this is turning out to be.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Johnny Herbert

He the man!

I did say in the Austin thread that if he were in Austin the penalty would go to Max.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Davil

Race control sets the pace that Berndt drives. Hence why it is called a safety car. You know. To make sure conditions are safe.

Im pretty sure that's not true. SC is going as fast as it possibly can, because otherwise the F1 cars will start crashing off the track due to lack of downforce low brake temp, low tire temp.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by minn19

I was a Checo fan for a long time. Him pretending he’s Max with the late lunges at the back of the pack is a new low for him. He has no business being in that RBR seat.

Edit: Just looked back at the highlights and it was for points positions. Still some very bad choices by Checo with those moves IMO. Especially since he’s cost RBR millions in damage this year, just adding more to the tab after this race.

I think he thought the Vcarb should move aside for him as he is in the alpha team, hence the lunge (didn't do this to anyone else). To his horror the Vcarb said no.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by G30M

He the man!

I did say in the Austin thread that if he were in Austin the penalty would go to Max.

Figures then and backs what HeelToeShift said. Herbert is so anti MAX, he has a effigy doll of him that he pins every night.

[M5Rick]

Post race drivers reaction.

[fs1977]

Some great fighting this race and excellent performance from Sainz!

Although you can't really argue about the Verstappen penalties, somehow you get the feeling it was also about setting an example and all the fuss about Austin played a part too. And RB still not fast enough, yesterday on race pace looked like the 4th fastest team out here, behind Ferrari, Mclaren and the Merc's. In quali they are up there with the best, in the race not so much.

10 points gained for Norris, but if he does that every race to come, he's going to fall short a few points. Mayby a grid penalty for Verstappen (engine) will be the decider.

[wizardofOz]

For what it's worth about the best pairing, I'm very keen to see how Carlos partners with Colapinto in Williams - given how Carlos has been racing after the break, I'm sure its a confidence injector for him.

[Davil]

Originally Posted by G30M

Im pretty sure that's not true. SC is going as fast as it possibly can, because otherwise the F1 cars will start crashing off the track due to lack of downforce low brake temp, low tire temp.

https://youtu.be/FuHHTwhysmM

Nup. I talked to the man himself in Melbourne and he explained everything in detail. Great guy by the way.

He was also a little annoyed by the Max comments in the past. In a nice way as he is such a lovely guy. Totally unwarranted as he was doing his job to the letter.

Dick Dastardly Verstappen can be somewhat unpleasant at times. I like him but he’s not the most level headed guy at times. He will mature in time. Still young. Somewhat embarrassing today. He will probably not look back on this with fond memories when he matures.

[fs1977]

All the drivers in front complain about the SC driving too slow, staying out to long, staying out to short and all that kind of stuf. That's not specifically a Verstapen trademark. Or are you referring to something else?

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by lens

Max had 1000IQ here, he realized the Ferrari's were faster than him, along with Norris, so he ate both penalties and kept lando behind and ruined his race on purpose.

Instead of losing 13 points, he lost 10.

Lando would have won the race with the last hard tire stint at the end if Max didn't keep him behind.

Some people call it dirty driving, I call it entertainment. I don't care who wins, as long as it's not Mclaren, I hope Ferrari win the WCC and Max wins the WDC.

Mclaren and Norris are so unlikeable

Best post of the thread

[M5Rick]

If Lando thinks that the title will be handed on a plate to him then he is finally coming to earth thinking otherwise, he is a nice guy for sure but in F1 there are no nice guys when the visors drop and the younger fans must be coming to terms with this reflected in MAX being voted Driver of the Day.

[3798j]

The misinformation in the F1 threads...usually produced by the same folks.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

But they aren't the best pairing on the grid. They haven't won anything of significance.

I understand what you're saying completely and I still disagree to the point I think it's a bad opinion.

Lewis is better than Carlos. Full Stop. Lewis is as good or better than Charles, and if Ferrari wants to accomplish something more than having a "good"driver pairing and actually win, this is their best chance.

Would you be saying the same thing if Ferrari had the chance to get Max?

Well, I guess we will see in 2025.

No, I wouldn't what Max pairing with Charlie either....Same problem or worse.