G84 M3 ICE model to get 48-volt mild-hybrid inline-six engine, not PHEV (per Häcker)

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by akkando

I bet when it comes out people will claim the new car makes the g80 look dated.

Yes it will make g80 feel dated -not a “claim”, because you know, that’s always what happens, and also; G80 came out in 2021, the new one will come in 2027.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by McLaren720s

Will only buy if grill is bigger than current gen

🤣

[Cartman417209]

Some of yall are wishing for too much from this thing
If it comes with the 48v hybrid system it’ll gain around 120ish lbs
Stock power at crank will probably be around 575 but torque below 3000rpm will pick up a lot

My guess is stock 1/4 time being mid 10s

[akkando]

Originally Posted by antzcrashing

Oh in the way the new M5 makes the outgoing one look dated.. oh right..

Well I've found people on Bimmerpost have noticed that new things are newer than old things.

[MetzgerMeister]

Originally Posted by anakha

Who will they hire to orchestrate the fake sounds for the electric version? Hans for the iX and Metallica for the M cars?

Good and all as Metallica are, I would much prefer Rammstein for the M cars

[LuckyBrand]

What's everyone think the pure electric version will cost? I would have to assume they'll try to keep it just under a hundred grand base but options will quickly put it well over that.

If it's anything like people are thinking and wanting quite sure BMW will make us pay hefty price for it.

[ASAP]

It doesn't take a genius to figure out the next ICE M3 -

Interior will look like the new X3 interior... flat screens, less buttons, overall cleaner but also cheaper with hints of cost savings. All new gen BMWs including 5 and M5 follow this trend. Probably a variant of Idrive 9...

S58 motor tied to a mild hybrid... which really means nothing other than it will be a little more responsive. I would expect 600 hp (or very high 500s) in the top tiers now given the M5 has now crossed into the 700 hp range.

Weight will probably be another 250-300 lbs, I expect the car to cross easily over 4k lbs but even 4200-4300 will be very believable given trends. We won't know this for sure until we see the new 3 revealed and get a gauge of weights there.

[Rux]

Originally Posted by kgelfen360

Why would they use B58? They have S58.
Of course they will use that.

"One of the biggest uncertainties surrounding the next-gen M3 is the engine choice. The current M3 is powered by the S58 twin-turbocharged 3.0-liter straight-six engine, but it has not yet been certified for the upcoming Euro 7 emissions standards, set to take effect in mid-2025. There is also the B58 3.0 liter which already has the 48 volt mild-hybrid integration, and it’s used, successfully, across various M Performance BMW models.

From a business standpoint, the B58 could make sense, as it’s widely used in models like the M240i, M340i, Z4 M40i, and Toyota Supra. A 48-volt mild-hybrid B58 would also be more cost-effective, but this decision could frustrate hardcore M enthusiasts. The last time BMW placed a non-M engine in an M car—the N55 in the F87 M2—it sparked considerable debate, despite the engine’s solid performance.

Choosing the B58 might make financial sense, but it could be seen as a step backward by purists. If BMW goes with the S58, they will need to ensure the engine is Euro 7-compliant, and luckily there is plenty of time to get the engine ready for a 2027-2028 M3 launch. Either way, BMW has a challenge on its hands as it balances emissions compliance with the expectations of M3 enthusiasts."
https://www.bmwblog.com/2024/10/11/n...ybrid-no-phev/

I hope you are right.

[Rux]

Originally Posted by imperfectluck

No one is hating? For reference, the S68 hybrid in the LCI X5/X6M (as well as some M60i models I recall), while similar to the S63 it’s predecessor, doesn’t share a whole lot in common with it from what I’ve seen.

With that in mind, we most likely won’t seethe S58 reused neither and it will carry a new S engine code for that chassis.

The hating I refer to is with the prices of the previous models going up or down based on changes to the platform. The "Neue Klasse" will have a very different design without the grille everyone loves or hates. A BMW M car with a mild Hybrid either B58 tuned up or S58 detuned to meet EU7. Will this make the price of G and earlier chassis go up? Should you rush out and get one? OR will it be so good that earlier chassis prices will drop.

As to the platform hate...meh... We win either way right? We win because we can choose to embrace it, go elsewhere or buy and older one.

[jdhiro]

Originally Posted by miles_2_early

Both models will ride on the same Neue Klasse platform that debuts next year on the new iX3 SUV...

This doesn't sound right. Isn't the Neue Klasse supposed to be a dedicated EV platform?

[hb]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

That article doesn't say it's going to be a B58. Plus it's pure speculation.

I can tell you this: there is zero speculation in what I write So far, B58 is a strong contender, the project has just started so we will see which one ends up under the hood.

[hb]

Originally Posted by kgelfen360

Why would they use B58? They have S58.
Of course they will use that.

They might not. Both are considered. It comes down to economics in the end.

[hb]

Originally Posted by ASAP

It doesn't take a genius to figure out the next ICE M3 -

Interior will look like the new X3 interior... flat screens, less buttons, overall cleaner but also cheaper with hints of cost savings. All new gen BMWs including 5 and M5 follow this trend. Probably a variant of Idrive 9...

S58 motor tied to a mild hybrid... which really means nothing other than it will be a little more responsive. I would expect 600 hp (or very high 500s) in the top tiers now given the M5 has now crossed into the 700 hp range.

Weight will probably be another 250-300 lbs, I expect the car to cross easily over 4k lbs but even 4200-4300 will be very believable given trends. We won't know this for sure until we see the new 3 revealed and get a gauge of weights there.

The interior will look nothing like the just released X3. Not even close

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by hb

The interior will look nothing like the just released X3. Not even close

just reread that both ICE and EV models will be neu klasse based... that concerns me even more lol... because it will look like a space ship... may need to get that G80 order in by 2027

[JMD]

This is great,...now to see the 0-60,...1/8th mile,...1/4 mile times of Mild-Hybrid vs no Mild-Hybrid! Lets Go!!!

[xlover]

Haven’t we seen detail from insiders that 1)the s58 is planned to be eu7 compliant and 2) the g50 is going to be an evolution of the g2x chassis? Maybe it was just rumor when I read that

I am basically looking at the next gen m3 as a g80 super lci. The biggest benefit of no ice 4 series might be that the m3 should get the more conservative sedan grill setup.

The latest gen Mild hybrid motor is actually integrated into the zf transmission.

The interior will look nothing like the just released X3. Not even close

I think folks are missing the x3 interior looks out of place with idrive 8.5 because it was designed to accommodate the upcoming panoramic vision.

[hb]

Originally Posted by ASAP

just reread that both ICE and EV models will be neu klasse based... that concerns me even more lol... because it will look like a space ship... may need to get that G80 order in by 2027

No. ICE is based on CLAR platform, but with some design cues from Neue Klasse. Not a 1 to 1.

[noemon]

The G80 M3 is the last M5 of the Mohicans. 50mm wider than the E60 M5.

F10/F90 built on the 7-serie chassis.

The F80 M3 is the last M3 of the Mohicans.

[Mg.]

So this'll be the first EV M? Exciting. But wouldn't this mean the next M3 will also be a 'compromise' car? I.e. a car designed with the space for a massive battery and an engine block?

Originally Posted by hb

No. ICE is based on CLAR platform, but with some design cues from Neue Klasse. Not a 1 to 1.

Hmm I guess this partially answers my question.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by F32Fleet

Doesnt matter. The G8x is as big as an E39.

Yes it is.

I did the numbers a while ago with my i4.

I'm mildly interested in a M3 EV. It will be interesting.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

To be fair, they did force buyers to give up AWD and ~100 ft lbs if they wanted a stick. Kind of a dick move.

Not really.
They didn't develop a manual in that configuration.

There were not that many AWD MT cars.

BMW also limits HP and torque for manuals

[hb]

Originally Posted by Mg.

So this'll be the first EV M? Exciting. But wouldn't this mean the next M3 will also be a 'compromise' car? I.e. a car designed with the space for a massive battery and an engine block?


Hmm I guess this partially answers my question.

The platform for next M3 doesn't change. Same as today's G80.