Next M3 / M4 will have both Electric and Combustion Engine models -- says M CEO

[Gfit]

Originally Posted by kmarei

" the best-selling M model in 2024 is likely to be the BMW i4 M50."

shocking no?
so not the M340i or even the M440i, heck i even expected the M240i to outsell the i4
i did once drive an M3 and I4 M50 back to back at a BMW event.
and the i4 iM50i impressed me a lot more than the M3

Yeah but as we all know it’s not actually an M regardless of how many stickers they put on it.

[somer]

48v mild hybrid and port injection without cylinder deactivation plz, otherwise just leave everything alone!

[NathObeaN]

Not sure how I feel about this… ICE and EV cars have fundamentally different design principles if you want them to be best in their respective classes. The worst EVs for example are those that use an ICE-inspired chassis. Either they are going ICE-first and will just slap a battery back in or they’ll go EV-first and somehow shove an engine in. Seems a weird strategy.

That doesnt even get into the marketing complications. How will they position the different offerings? What comes first? What will be more expensive? What will be considered the ‘top model’?

I would realistically expect them to simply offer a hybrid model, not both. Very strange.

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by jmg

It seems to be doing well for Porsche!

Curious though, it sounds like the S58 will remain. No new I6TT? Or will they change it enough to make a new engine code?

It’s not in the taxes sense. Where automotive taxes are big and CO2-based.
And that’s many countries outside the US who are trying to reduce vehicular emissions.
As example, base 911 is over $300,000 in Ireland where the, now PHEV, M5 is half that… just because it’s got low emissions for the WLTP cycle.
911 & M5 are similar money with taxes removed.
I imagine BMW will stick to the model of a chassis to suit all powertrains and build the motors for them J.I.T.
That way the customer decides.

[OneTwo3]

S58 sticking around is amazing news. I would love a factory tuned S58 with 600hp and a warranty.

[OneTwo3]

Originally Posted by robopp

Excellent! Can’t wait to see what they do with the ICE. A mild hybrid assist, or dare I say an eturbo, with the S58 would be killer! Just keep the manual option please!

S58 with mild hybrid assist would be insane. The car would be so quick!

[OneTwo3]

Originally Posted by hb

There is no M4 because there is no new 4 Series, only i4.

I don’t see a point in the M4 when we’re getting M2 with X drive.

[moriluvatar]

I think I belong in the middle of the consensus as well, which is that on the face of it another generation sounds wonderful, but the devil really is in the details.

So long as we are not going down the same road as the latest M5 I’m on board.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by kmarei

" the best-selling M model in 2024 is likely to be the BMW i4 M50."

shocking no?
so not the M340i or even the M440i, heck i even expected the M240i to outsell the i4
i did once drive an M3 and I4 M50 back to back at a BMW event.
and the i4 iM50i impressed me a lot more than the M3

I have a G82 X-Drive and I had an i4 M50 for a week as a loaner. I gotta say I was very impressed with the power. It’s off the line acceleration was on par with my M4, but I think my M4 felt faster on the roll according to my butt dyno (although the exhaust note could also have contributed to that feeling).

It convinced me that if the next M car was electric, it’s going to be a banger. They still need to fight all that weight, however, as my M4 handled much much better than the i4 M50. As a daily driver though, it’s clear why it outsells the M340i and M440i. It’s such a good car.

[NYG]

I wonder if they'll break the 5,000 lb mark on this one.

[DonutRanger]

This is fantastic, been waiting a long time for this. Soon, petrol M cars will look like riding a horse compared to the control and lap times that electric can provide. That individual torque control at each wheel sounds like it would be amazing for driving dynamics, too.

Very excited for the future of EV.

[Mr. Jonathan]

It will be interesting to see which generates more demand.

Will the EV enthusiasts buy it just because it has an M-badge?

[Custom Install]

The prospect of all electric M3’s in the future is cool, and ICE for those who want them.
My plan is to keep my G82 forever, so the timing of a new model will work perfectly for me. I’ll own the current car outright.
Hopefully then an all electric M3 touring will be a thing, that’s got my money already if so.

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by bpark671

i just know for a fact the ev’s will get zero sales 💀

It may look like that from inside the fact-less bubble.

[DonutRanger]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

It may look like that from inside the fact-less bubble.

Its funny how every car brand and forum has guys like this sitting behind their keyboard complaining about the newest cars and technology, yet car manufacturers continue to set sales records.

It’s almost like these guys aren’t even the demographic for these cars (maybe due to cost?)

[mbanck]

Originally Posted by NathObeaN

Not sure how I feel about this… ICE and EV cars have fundamentally different design principles if you want them to be best in their respective classes. The worst EVs for example are those that use an ICE-inspired chassis. Either they are going ICE-first and will just slap a battery back in or they’ll go EV-first and somehow shove an engine in. Seems a weird strategy.

The BEV M3 will be a Neue Klasse car, while the ICE M3 will stay on some CLAR-EVO platform (as this it what the next-gen ICE 3er will be), similar to the current 5er/upcoming X5.

So they will be based on different platforms, which sounds way more sensible to me.

Question then is whether their design will be very similar (like 4erGC/i4) or rather quite different (like 2erGC/2er coupe). Probably somewhere in the middle with common design elements but slightly different body styles.

I would realistically expect them to simply offer a hybrid model, not both. Very strange.

The ICE-based M3 will be a mild-hybrid (like the M340i already is), not a PHEV like the new M5.

[G MONEY]

The EV model better beat a Plaid!! Or else they can shove it up their German Ass

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by kmarei

" the best-selling M model in 2024 is likely to be the BMW i4 M50."

shocking no?
so not the M340i or even the M440i, heck i even expected the M240i to outsell the i4
i did once drive an M3 and I4 M50 back to back at a BMW event.
and the i4 iM50i impressed me a lot more than the M3

I would have expected X3 M40i to be honest. I see those everywhere.

[Jimc]

Sweet deal, hope you've got your spot at the local BMW dealer, possibly one electric car before I get to old..ha, ..

[Schn3ll]

Good and bad at the same time. Sharing platforms for EV and ICE means it’s going to be a heavy beast. See 5 series.

[eljay]

"We will boil all you froggies very slowly."

Basically, we will only build an electric M3 only when we are confident we can fool you sufficiently and completely.