New Ytest
Sign out
Bimmerpost
Login
BMW E39 5-Series Forum | 5Post.com
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Today's Posts  
Go Back   BMW E39 5-Series Forum | 5Post.com > BIMMERPOST Universal Forums > General Automotive (non-BMW) Talk + Photos/Videos

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      08-22-2024, 10:41 PM   #1
G30M
Major General
G30M's Avatar
5071
Rep
5,039
Posts

 
Drives: M550i; retired - M340i
Join Date: Dec 2021
Location: Australasia

iTrader: (0)

Lexus LFA Story: Revelations with Jason Cammisa (Hargerty)

Appreciate 5
jesm218.00
David701755.00
a5m827.00
MmmmmM22651.00
      08-23-2024, 06:55 AM   #2
///MPhatic
The Seeker
///MPhatic's Avatar
15205
Rep
3,783
Posts

 
Drives: OG M2 • Exige
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: USA

iTrader: (2)

Garage List
2018 BMW M2  [8.33]
Saw this yesterday, it's fantastic, like always. Great details.

I always have one question with this car. It seems the big deal is how fast the transmission shifts. I wonder if there is a factory upgrade available since the tech has moved on. It would certainly fix the SINGLE issue the car has, and make one of the greatest cars ever produced more correct.
Appreciate 1
jesm218.00
      08-23-2024, 08:28 AM   #3
David70
Colonel
1755
Rep
2,833
Posts

 
Drives: 20 AM Vantage -13 Cadillac ATS
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Cincinnati, OH

iTrader: (1)

Good video. Often people like to talk about how great certain old cars are and were but forget about the details about why few wanted to buy them new, this does a good job explaining the whole history. Great engine, ok single clutch transmission, too expensive and Toyota/Lexus wanted to jump directly from not at all in this car class to selling for more than the others who spent decades at this level. I don't agree that this car led to the current GR Toyota's. It was a one off that stopped production many years ago, they could have developed the current GR's with or without the LFA.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ///MPhatic View Post
Saw this yesterday, it's fantastic, like always. Great details.

I always have one question with this car. It seems the big deal is how fast the transmission shifts. I wonder if there is a factory upgrade available since the tech has moved on. It would certainly fix the SINGLE issue the car has, and make one of the greatest cars ever produced more correct.
I don't think it's the speed of shifting as much as the inherent issues that come with all single clutch automatics. BMW, Lambo, Ferrari all were clunky and none of them could be solved with software changes. I don't believe anyone continues to build a single clutch automatic and all have gone to dual clutch, if they kept this type of transmission.
__________________
2006 Z4M Coupe - ZHP knob, stubby antenna, clutch delay delete
Appreciate 1
a5m827.00
      08-23-2024, 08:45 AM   #4
///MPhatic
The Seeker
///MPhatic's Avatar
15205
Rep
3,783
Posts

 
Drives: OG M2 • Exige
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: USA

iTrader: (2)

Garage List
2018 BMW M2  [8.33]
Quote:
Originally Posted by David70 View Post
I don't think it's the speed of shifting as much as the inherent issues that come with all single clutch automatics. BMW, Lambo, Ferrari all were clunky and none of them could be solved with software changes. I don't believe anyone continues to build a single clutch automatic and all have gone to dual clutch, if they kept this type of transmission.
Yeah, for sure. If I had one I'd find a way to fit a newer DC gearbox to it. I think the rest of the car stands on its own for sure. I would just think, to make things easier and more "factory" that Toyota would produce a unit for it. Nissan has done similar. And in fact a lot of manufacturers have offered factory upgrades years after the fact. Even Lotus did this.
Appreciate 0
      08-23-2024, 06:11 PM   #5
G30M
Major General
G30M's Avatar
5071
Rep
5,039
Posts

 
Drives: M550i; retired - M340i
Join Date: Dec 2021
Location: Australasia

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ///MPhatic View Post
Saw this yesterday, it's fantastic, like always. Great details.

I always have one question with this car. It seems the big deal is how fast the transmission shifts. I wonder if there is a factory upgrade available since the tech has moved on. It would certainly fix the SINGLE issue the car has, and make one of the greatest cars ever produced more correct.
I can fix it. Put a Porsche 7 Speed manual into it. (or some other 6 speed)
Appreciate 0
      08-23-2024, 10:46 PM   #6
RM7
Brigadier General
RM7's Avatar
3019
Rep
3,627
Posts

 
Drives: Camaro SS 1LE
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Alaska

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by G30M View Post
I can fix it. Put a Porsche 7 Speed manual into it. (or some other 6 speed)
Or put an "LFA" sticker on my 1LE.
__________________
Current: 2018 Camaro SS 1LE, 2023 Colorado ZR2. Former: BMW 428i Gran Coupe.
Appreciate 1
x6221157.50
      08-24-2024, 07:50 AM   #7
///MPhatic
The Seeker
///MPhatic's Avatar
15205
Rep
3,783
Posts

 
Drives: OG M2 • Exige
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: USA

iTrader: (2)

Garage List
2018 BMW M2  [8.33]
Quote:
Originally Posted by G30M View Post
I can fix it. Put a Porsche 7 Speed manual into it. (or some other 6 speed)
Oh god, you're one of those that would put an LS1 into an FD.

That's not fixing, that's destroying.
Appreciate 1
Davil6850.50
      08-24-2024, 07:59 AM   #8
Efthreeoh
General
United_States
18960
Rep
19,603
Posts

 
Drives: The E90 + Z4 Coupe & Z3 R'ster
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Virginia

iTrader: (0)

I think it didn't sell very well because (a) it's a Lexus, and (b) it doesn't look like a "supercar".
__________________
A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
Appreciate 0
      08-24-2024, 08:24 AM   #9
ASAP
Major General
ASAP's Avatar
10797
Rep
8,997
Posts

 
Drives: '23 X3 M40i
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: FL

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Efthreeoh View Post
I think it didn't sell very well because (a) it's a Lexus, and (b) it doesn't look like a "supercar".
I think it's a combo of the car coming too late to the market, being extremely expensive and living side by side vs cars like the Ferrari 458 at the time.

The LFA had a masterpiece motor tied to a really crappy gearbox... but at 375k, it lived next to other incredible cars at the time and it was a very hard sell for Lexus even to those that understood it.
__________________
2 x N54 -> 1 x N55 -> 1 x S55-> 1 x B58
Appreciate 1
///MPhatic15204.50
      08-24-2024, 01:29 PM   #10
///MPhatic
The Seeker
///MPhatic's Avatar
15205
Rep
3,783
Posts

 
Drives: OG M2 • Exige
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: USA

iTrader: (2)

Garage List
2018 BMW M2  [8.33]
Quote:
Originally Posted by ASAP View Post
I think it's a combo of the car coming too late to the market, being extremely expensive and living side by side vs cars like the Ferrari 458 at the time.

The LFA had a masterpiece motor tied to a really crappy gearbox... but at 375k, it lived next to other incredible cars at the time and it was a very hard sell for Lexus even to those that understood it.
Perfectly stated.
Appreciate 0
      08-24-2024, 04:01 PM   #11
jesm
Second Lieutenant
218
Rep
239
Posts

 
Drives: 911S 2018
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Houston

iTrader: (11)

Best sounding car engine.....
Appreciate 1
///MPhatic15204.50
      08-24-2024, 06:27 PM   #12
Burrcold
Brigadier General
6334
Rep
4,557
Posts

 
Drives: 2024 M3 Comp xDrive
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Toronto, Canada

iTrader: (0)

I was working for Toyota/Lexus new model development at the time the LFA was developed and launched. Every single Toyota executive I talked to at the time reiterated the same thing...they didn't care if it sold well (or at all). It was a flex their (brain) muscle type project and nothing more. Job well done.
__________________
Current: 2024 BMW M3 Competition xDrive | 2022 Audi Q7
Gone: 2022 Audi RS5 | 2020 BMW M340i | 2019 Audi RS5
Appreciate 1
///MPhatic15204.50
Post Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:31 PM.




5post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST