F1: Bahrain Best of the rest

SenorFunkyPants · 03-30-2021, 04:01 AM

So putting to one side Hamilton and Verstappen.

Who had a great race and who not so much?

F1.com: Driver of the day was Perez.
He definitely had a great drive from the back...20 secs behind the lead after the SC restart and having to fight past the pack with some 24 overtakes to 5th.
With a decent start position he would easily have been up with leaders.

Leclerc seemed to overperform the Ferrari package as usual.
And Norris had a great race as well.

SenorFunkyPants · 03-30-2021, 04:50 AM

Double post!

yco · 03-30-2021, 06:06 AM

I voted for Perez as well.. but F1's voting generally doesnt go well.. Max was 2nd according to voting.. he always gets in top 3 even he has an early crash.. Max fans just vote for each race blindly..

Ngilbe36 · 03-30-2021, 08:22 AM

I dont think Perez counts as "the rest" anymore but he did have a good race. IMO, its between Leclerc and Norris. Norris seemed to have a pretty lonely day after escaping some early action and staying in clear air in front of the mid pack.
Leclerc had a great race and seemed to be constantly fighting with someone and still managed a 6th and almost a 5th. Very impressive.

inTgr8r · 03-30-2021, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by yco

I voted for Perez as well.. but F1's voting generally doesnt go well.. Max was 2nd according to voting.. he always gets in top 3 even he has an early crash.. Max fans just vote for each race blindly..

Good thing their votes dont count towards WDC

SenorFunkyPants · 03-30-2021, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ngilbe36

I dont think Perez counts as "the rest" anymore

I was using "the rest" to mean not Hamilton or Verstappen.
There are some great drivers in F1 who shine despite not having the best machinery.
Seemed like an idea to create a thread talk about them....rather than the endless BS threads about Verstappen vrs Hamilton.

Ngilbe36 · 03-30-2021, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

I was using "the rest" to mean not Hamilton or Verstappen.
There are some great drivers in F1 who shine despite not having the best machinery.
Seemed like an idea to create a thread talk about them....rather than the endless BS threads about Verstappen vrs Hamilton.

Oh I am totally with you. We need a decent place to have some real discussion that dont get completely overridden with crying and excuses.

Speaking of...
I will not be surprised at all if we see Stroll outperform Vettel over the whole of this season.

rcracin · 03-30-2021, 11:04 AM

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Oh I am totally with you. We need a decent place to have some real discussion that dont get completely overridden with crying and excuses.

Speaking of...
I will not be surprised at all if we see Stroll outperform Vettel over the whole of this season.

I wanna give Vettel a few more races before giving up hope and saying he’s lost it. He’s making it super difficult though. He should’ve been able to demolish Stroll in qualifying. Look at how well the Hulk performed in the car last year without any practice.

minn19 · 03-30-2021, 11:13 AM

Sergio, Charles and Lando definitely had good days all things considering. Sainz also had a pretty good day in hos Ferrari debut. I expect to see him move up more when he gets more comfortable with the car.

I was disappointed in Ric's first race with McLaren. I expected more and yuo barely heard his name. But, like Sainz, I expect to see him be a force when he to gets more comfortable with the car.

I'm really excited to see how Sergio does when RB stops sabotaging their second driver.

SenorFunkyPants · 03-30-2021, 11:59 AM

I really like Seb, he seems like a fun decent guy.
He has won a lot of races along with his 4 DWCs, made buckets of cash and a lovely family.
But maybe its time for him to hang up his helmet...perhaps make a career as an F1 TV pundit?...as I don't think he will get another chance in a front line team.

yco · 03-30-2021, 12:36 PM

i want to see Leclerc in Merc'.. maybe even next year.. they can figure out the contract he has with Ferrari..

Ngilbe36 · 03-30-2021, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by yco

i want to see Leclerc in Merc'.. maybe even next year.. they can figure out the contract he has with Ferrari..

Who knows who will be fastest next year, maybe Ferrari will have their stuff together by then.

Bongoxxx · 03-30-2021, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

I really like Seb, he seems like a fun decent guy.
He has won a lot of races along with his 4 DWCs, made buckets of cash and a lovely family.
But maybe its time for him to hang up his helmet...perhaps make a career as an F1 TV pundit?...as I don't think he will get another chance in a front line team.

Sadly I think he’s done...didn’t perform well in the Ferrari vs. LEC and a I think we’ll see Stroll outperform him this year.

I think AM made a poor decision dumping Perez so quickly when they had the opportunity to sign SEB....time will tell.

yco · 03-30-2021, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ngilbe36

Who knows who will be fastest next year, maybe Ferrari will have their stuff together by then.

true..
though at least from the first race it seems that Honda didnt break some grounds powerwise.. Max wasnt able to overtake Lewis on the straights with DRS most of the time.. Merc's PU seems still more than ok.. and since they wont able to improve engines all season long this year.. Merc' can concentrate on next years aero without clouds..

SenorFunkyPants · 03-31-2021, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Ngilbe36

Who knows who will be fastest next year, maybe Ferrari will have their stuff together by then.

If I was a team manager...Leclerc would be my first pick (given Hamilton is due to retire sometime soon). The speed he gets out of the Ferrari is mightily impressive...reminds of Senna early days when he was in a mid field car.
Ferrari spotted his talent early on, signing him on for a multi year contract.

yahh · 03-31-2021, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by minn19

Sergio, Charles and Lando definitely had good days all things considering. Sainz also had a pretty good day in hos Ferrari debut. I expect to see him move up more when he gets more comfortable with the car.

I was disappointed in Ric's first race with McLaren. I expected more and yuo barely heard his name. But, like Sainz, I expect to see him be a force when he to gets more comfortable with the car.

I'm really excited to see how Sergio does when RB stops sabotaging their second driver.

I was hoping for more from Ricciardo, but Mclaren released a report that his floor was damaged from the run-in with Gasly. If that's the case, it would explain the lack of pace vs Norris.

McLaren reveal floor damage from Lap 4 contact with Gasly slowed Ricciardo in Bahrain

Hoping for a better race from him in a couple of weeks.

MKSixer · 03-31-2021, 08:29 AM

I'd say RIC, NOR, PER, STR and TSU had great races. RIC had damage which affected his pace.

I'm looking forward to a great season!

SenorFunkyPants · 03-31-2021, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MKSixer

I'd say RIC, NOR, PER, STR and TSU had great races. RIC had damage which affected his pace.

I'm looking forward to a great season!

Didn't know Ricciardo had floor damage...explains his pace against Norris...I expected DR to be much more to the front.

It was a great race...almost makes you want a ballast penalty system so that every one has a chance at winning races.

MKSixer · 03-31-2021, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

Didn't know Ricciardo had floor damage...explains his pace against Norris...I expected DR to be much more to the front.

It was a great race...almost makes you want a ballast penalty system so that every one has a chance at winning races.

It was!

I like the system of giving the teams finishing in lower places a chance to use more resources. Ballast is too simple of a solution for a complex problem. Formula One is the highest level of sanctioned motorsport and ballast, IMHO, is antithetical to that ethos. Let everyone innovate but give the less successful team more time to research for solutions. I like this solution quite a lot!!

Cheers-mk

Ngilbe36 · 03-31-2021, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MKSixer

It was!

I like the system of giving the teams finishing in lower places a chance to use more resources. Ballast is too simple of a solution for a complex problem. Formula One is the highest level of sanctioned motorsport and ballast, IMHO, is antithetical to that ethos. Let everyone innovate but give the less successful team more time to research for solutions. I like this solution quite a lot!!

Cheers-mk

Ballast also brings sand bagging to a whole new level. See GTE. I think it can be successful, but I agree, F1 isnt the place for it.

SenorFunkyPants · 03-31-2021, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MKSixer

It was!

I like the system of giving the teams finishing in lower places a chance to use more resources. Ballast is too simple of a solution for a complex problem. Formula One is the highest level of sanctioned motorsport and ballast, IMHO, is antithetical to that ethos. Let everyone innovate but give the less successful team more time to research for solutions. I like this solution quite a lot!!

Cheers-mk

ISTM that every time the regulations are changed to stop the domination of one particular team the pendulum just swings so that another team dominates instead.
Traditionally the idea of any form of performance equalisation is scorned as not being F1 and I do see that...yet the attraction of making F1 more show and less about who has the best technological package, does have its appeal.
Who wouldn't want every driver to have a chance at winning.
The trick is arriving at that point without upsetting everyone.
Not sure that a spending cap/resource rationing will get the sport where it needs to be.

minn19 · 03-31-2021, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by yahh

I was hoping for more from Ricciardo, but Mclaren released a report that his floor was damaged from the run-in with Gasly. If that's the case, it would explain the lack of pace vs Norris.

McLaren reveal floor damage from Lap 4 contact with Gasly slowed Ricciardo in Bahrain

I didn't know that either, thanks.

Hoping for a better race from him in a couple of weeks.

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Originally Posted by MKSixer

I'd say RIC, NOR, PER, STR and TSU had great races. RIC had damage which affected his pace.

I'm looking forward to a great season!

Agreed, I was bummed GAS got into that incident and retired early. Very interested to see how he and TSU/AT does this year.

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yco i'm just saying 6019 Rep 2,634 Posts Drives: E71 X6M '10 (sold) Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Istanbul & Kyiv iTrader: (0)	I voted for Perez as well.. but F1's voting generally doesnt go well.. Max was 2nd according to voting.. he always gets in top 3 even he has an early crash.. Max fans just vote for each race blindly.. __________________ "Race car driving is like sex. All guys think they're good at it." Jay Leno Last edited by yco; 03-30-2021 at 06:11 AM..
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Ngilbe36 Captain 1619 Rep 880 Posts Drives: 2011 E90 M3, 2019 F150 Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: MI iTrader: (0) Garage List 2011 BMW E90 M3 [0.00]	I dont think Perez counts as "the rest" anymore but he did have a good race. IMO, its between Leclerc and Norris. Norris seemed to have a pretty lonely day after escaping some early action and staying in clear air in front of the mid pack. Leclerc had a great race and seemed to be constantly fighting with someone and still managed a 6th and almost a 5th. Very impressive.
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minn19 Lieutenant General 14691 Rep 10,349 Posts Drives: 24 6MT M2, 25 X5 M60, 24 Truk Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Minnesota iTrader: (0)	Sergio, Charles and Lando definitely had good days all things considering. Sainz also had a pretty good day in hos Ferrari debut. I expect to see him move up more when he gets more comfortable with the car. I was disappointed in Ric's first race with McLaren. I expected more and yuo barely heard his name. But, like Sainz, I expect to see him be a force when he to gets more comfortable with the car. I'm really excited to see how Sergio does when RB stops sabotaging their second driver.
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SenorFunkyPants Brigadier General 2516 Rep 4,381 Posts Drives: 2019 M5 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	I really like Seb, he seems like a fun decent guy. He has won a lot of races along with his 4 DWCs, made buckets of cash and a lovely family. But maybe its time for him to hang up his helmet...perhaps make a career as an F1 TV pundit?...as I don't think he will get another chance in a front line team.
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yco i'm just saying 6019 Rep 2,634 Posts Drives: E71 X6M '10 (sold) Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Istanbul & Kyiv iTrader: (0)	i want to see Leclerc in Merc'.. maybe even next year.. they can figure out the contract he has with Ferrari.. __________________ "Race car driving is like sex. All guys think they're good at it." Jay Leno
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